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Family courts case from 2007 revealed the extent of non domiciled commissioning parents exploiting UK surrogate mothers and the NHS.

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FannyCann · 18/04/2020 20:04

As soon as I was aware of the Law Commission proposals for new surrogacy laws in the UK I have been concerned that the UK would become an international surrogacy destination. In Canada about 50% of surrogacy arrangements involve international Commissioning Parents (CPs). The UK would be a very attractive destination thanks to the NHS which would provide free maternity care for the surrogate mother.

There was evidence in the consultation that this is already happening:

Question 100 asked “We invite consultees to tell us of their experience of surrogacy arrangements in the UK involving foreign intended parents.”

Point 3.67 page 56 stated “one organisation asked intended parents to prove that they have the funds to meet the surrogate’s expenses. For foreign surrogacies they required funds to be placed in an escrow account.”

On page 391 I found this : “where foreign intended parents come to the UK for a surrogacy arrangement. The fact of such arrangements is apparent in case law.53 It has also been drawn to our attention by Northern Irish stakeholders whom we spoke to in the course of preparing this paper.”

For case law, see Re G (Surrogacy: Foreign Domicile) [2007] EWHC 2814 (Fam), [2008] 1 FLR 1047.

Clicky link (I hope): https://www.familylawweek.co.uk/site.aspx?i=ed9844_

So I had a look at this case and was shocked by the details.

“The terms of HFEA 1990, s 30(3)(b) make it plain that one or both of the commissioning couple must be domiciled in a part of the United Kingdom or in the Channel Islands or the Isle of Man. What renders the case of young M remarkable, and justifies this detailed judgment, is that Mr and Mrs G, the commissioning parents, are Turkish nationals who are domiciled in Turkey. As a result, it is not legally possible for them to achieve the status of M's parents by means of a parental order.

  1. The procedural history of this case, to which I am about to turn, is a cautionary tale which highlights the legal, emotional, and not least the financial consequences of surrogacy arrangements which are undertaken in this jurisdiction involving commissioning parents who are not domiciled in the UK. The law relating to the removal of children from the UK for adoption overseas is both complex and strict. This case has therefore involved some seven court hearings in the High Court in order to pick a way through the legal maze to achieve the most effective legal arrangement under which the commissioning parents can remove M to their home in Turkey in the hope of adopting her under Turkish law. The process has required, as a matter of law, a full social-work assessment by the relevant local authority and by a children's guardian appointed by CAFCASS. Expert legal opinion has been required as to the current state of Turkish law. I am advised that the total cost of the social work and legal input in unravelling the consequences of the arrangement that led to M's birth is just short of £35,000.00. That sum falls to be paid entirely by the British tax payer, the court being satisfied, in the circumstances of this case, that it would not be appropriate to seek to re-coup any of those costs from Mr and Mrs G, Mrs J or COTS, the surrogacy agency who assisted Mr and Mrs G in establishing the arrangement.”

The judge generously decided that the British tax payer should fund the £35,000 costs of the case.

The case was facilitated by COTS (Childlessness overcome through surrogacy). It became apparent that COTS had regularly been facilitating other international cases.

The Role of COTS
17. It will be apparent from the exposition that I have given that the issue of Mr and Mrs G's Turkish domicile presented an insurmountable hurdle to their ability to achieve a parental order and that that fact would, or at least should, have been obvious before they embarked upon the surrogacy arrangement. The surrogacy arrangement was facilitated by COTS and it has therefore been necessary to understand more of the role of COTS and, in this regard, the court is grateful to the support worker from COTS who has attended court ('Mr Z'] and has provided an explanation of their activity in this case.
18. COTS is an organisation run on very limited resources by a group of volunteers. Their aim is to try to help childless couples to overcome childlessness through surrogacy. COTS sees itself as a supporting organisation, the role of which is to induct into its membership, on the one hand, women who wish to be surrogate mothers, and, on the other, couples who wish to have the benefit of a surrogacy arrangement. COTS arranges for a medical examination of the respective parties and undertakes a criminal records check. In the case of foreign nationals, COTS will ask the parties to cooperate in obtaining information from their country of origin. Once these various checks are completed, COTS passes the details of couples and surrogates on to a different agency, 'Triangle', which actually puts couples in touch with surrogate parents.
19. The COTS support worker, Mr Z, explained to the court that, prior to the present case, COTS had considered that parents in the position of Mr and Mrs G would qualify for a parental order and could simply take a baby born through surrogacy back to Turkey without any difficulty. He explained that it had happened, to his knowledge, in some twenty cases, involving different countries in the past. If this account is right, and I have no reason to doubt it, then it would seem that no court in a COTS case has previously been alerted, or has alerted itself, to the domicile requirements of s 30.

There were plenty more such cases...

“22. Since concluding this case involving M and Mr and Mrs G, this court has become involved in hearing another international surrogacy case that was also facilitated by COTS. The correspondence in that case between COTS and the commissioning parents, who are Austrian nationals domiciled in Austria, provides more information as to the role of COTS, in particular:
i) The COTS membership form has specific rates for commissioning couples who are 'living abroad'.
ii) A COTS worker (who is a different person from the worker who assisted the court in M's case – 'Ms Y') wrote in November 2004 stating that COTS has 'helped many couples from Europe, and currently have couples from France, Greece, Norway, Belgium and Germany going through surrogacy'.”

The judge was concerned:

“25. Of more concern is the understanding that court now has as to the scale of COTS involvement in cases where the commissioning couple are domiciled overseas. It would seem that not infrequently COTS has been involved in facilitating a situation in which children are born in this country and then taken abroad for the purposes of adoption either under a Parental Order made on erroneous grounds or on the basis that the surrogate mother has given her written consent for the child to travel abroad.”

COTS had been facilitating BABY TRAFFICKING

“27. The traffic in young babies for adoption between one country and another is rightly now the subject of very strict control and is only authorised after proper and detailed scrutiny by the social services and other authorities. It is therefore a matter of significant concern that COTS has, albeit naively, been involved in the activities that I have described which are, and have long been, outside the law.”

The judge sent a copy of the judgement to the relevant government minister:

“a copy of this judgment is being sent to the Minister of State for Children, Young People and Families for her consideration.“

The judge concluded that in future the British taxpayer should be protected from the legal costs involved in international surrogacy cases:

“f) In the event that any agencies involved in facilitating or advising on surrogacy arrangements are approached by a couple who are not domiciled in the UK, or indeed any solicitor who may be approached by such a couple for legal advice, must advise that pursuant to rule 110 of The Family Procedure (Adoption) Rules 2005 the 'court may at any time make such orders as to costs as it thinks just'. Such orders for costs can be made against the commissioning non-domicile couple and can include payment of the legal costs of the proceedings, payment for the costs incurred by CAFCASS. Clearly, whether such costs should be paid will depend upon the circumstances of each case given that this court takes the view that the provision for surrogacy arrangements for non UK domicile couples are to be discouraged, it follows that the legal aspects to such arrangements should not become the financial responsibility of the British taxpayer. Any court faced with an application such as that which has been considered within this Judgment should give active consideration to the making of a costs order.”

All holding my own.

Seeing the details of this case I am left wondering about the extent of these types of cases since this one in 2007.

Aside of all my moral and ethical objections to surrogacy I also very strongly believe that the British taxpayer should not be funding what is, in effect baby trafficking, picking up the tab for the legal fees and the
NHS providing free maternity care.

Family courts case from 2007 revealed the extent of non domiciled commissioning parents exploiting UK surrogate mothers and the NHS.
Family courts case from 2007 revealed the extent of non domiciled commissioning parents exploiting UK surrogate mothers and the NHS.
Family courts case from 2007 revealed the extent of non domiciled commissioning parents exploiting UK surrogate mothers and the NHS.
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FannyCann · 18/04/2020 20:07

all bolding* my own

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FannyCann · 18/04/2020 20:12

Also interested in this detail, which suggests the practice is not unknown in Northern Ireland.

"where foreign intended parents come to the UK for a surrogacy arrangement. The fact of such arrangements is apparent in case law.53 It has also been drawn to our attention by Northern Irish stakeholders whom we spoke to in the course of preparing this paper.”

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WTFSeriously · 18/04/2020 20:32

That's shocking. Good find & I hope any moves on uk surrogacy laws has this noted with huge neon lights flashing in the shape of a red arrow.

FannyCann · 18/04/2020 20:41

I doubt it somehow WTF

Post coronavirus many more women are likely to be tempted by the prospect of the financial rewards of surrogacy. The NHS will be even more short of cash than before. UK women, babies and our NHS must be protected from exploitation by the international trade in babies.

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FannyCann · 18/04/2020 20:58

Link to the consultation for anyone that missed it.

https://s3-eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/lawcom-prod-storage-11jsxou24uy7q/uploads/2019/06/Surrogacy-consultation-paper.pdf

Also, at risk of telling all the tech savvy among you what you have known forever, I have only recently discovered - where there is a reference to a court case, just copy and paste into google and bingo, the court case will pop up. Smile

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WTFSeriously · 18/04/2020 21:13

Ah, but you've handily referenced it here making it easier for those who need it, to find it. I think we can sometimes underestimate the usefulness of posts/threads here. I'd like to think this will serve as a useful bookmark for someone looking into this hoping for another angle to challenge the back room discussions that have gone into pushing for the review/consultation in the 1st place.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 18/04/2020 21:23

This awful story about the abuse of surrogates in Asia is in the Times today - share token:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/346836ca-80d7-11ea-b437-a2f12268f8d1?shareToken=b28a15c7fd5de4310232f32d11bb294a

FannyCann · 18/04/2020 21:36

Thanks truthisarevolutionaryact
It is unbelievably depressing that whilst countries in Asia are trying to clamp down on surrogacy to protect their women, the UK is seeking to open up the commercial market.

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OhHolyJesus · 18/04/2020 21:51

So wait....COTS have been facilitating the 'sale' of babies born in the UK to foreign couples for over a decade and no one asked any questions or prosecuted those involved?

COTS charges membership (no idea how much but I bet it's more than the MN premium monthly subscription fee) and relies on donations. I wonder if they ever get any government funding.

This is all so rotten to the core...it reminds me of something else we often discuss on this board...

Those poor babies, they may never know what happened.

Gingerkittykat · 18/04/2020 22:51

I'm quite shocked by this. I wonder if the UK is cheaper than a lot of other countries since the so-called commissioning couple will not have to pay any medical expenses for mother and baby and the fees paid to the surrogate will be low.

It is a practice which definitely needs outlawed.

SorryAuntLydia · 19/04/2020 00:28

So it’s over £600 to join COTS as an intended parent. And yet even though COTS has been in existence since 1988 and has helped create over 1000 babies, companies house only has them listed as existing since 2019 - I cannot find any legal trace of them before this?! It all looks a little big dodgy especially as the newness of the organisation means there are no public accounts.

OhHolyJesus · 19/04/2020 09:53

That's crazy Aunt could they be listed as a charity? They say they are run by volunteers and the membership and donations covers costs. This all sounds very dodgy doesn't it?

FannyCann · 19/04/2020 10:24

I don't think they are a charity, I doubt organisations like these can meet the requirements to qualify as a charity.
It's a bit confusing as on google they come up as COTS Surrogacy UK but there appears to be another organisation called Surrogacy UK.

Goggle also threw up this old thread which had some interesting comments.

COTS or Surrogacy UK
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/adoptions/775746-COTS-or-Surrogacy-UK

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FannyCann · 19/04/2020 10:27

And this old thread from 2016 has some very interesting comments re the Drewitt-Barlow.

Anyone used the British Surrogacy Centre or advice on surrogacy in the UK?*
http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/surrogacy/2592507--Anyone-used-the-British-Surrogacy-Centre-or-advice-on-surrogacy-in-the-UK

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GrumpyGran8 · 19/04/2020 11:33

That's crazy Aunt could they be listed as a charity?
No, they're not listed on the Charity Commission site; they're not even listed as 'removed', which would mean they were a charity at some point.
COTS is listed at Companies House (as CHILDLESSNESS OVERCOME THROUGH SURROGACY LIMITED) with Kim Cotton as the sole Director and officer; their company number (11962596) isn't listed on their website, which I thought was a legal requirement, and they have yet to file any accounts.
I notice they run a separate informal group called Triangles which "introduces the intended parents to potential surrogate mothers" and that COTS itself simply provides the commissioning parents with a support worker. This is probably a way around any legal problems.

Kim Cotton did apparently leave Cots for a few years to run another business. So maybe she needs the money (again - she freely admits becaming a surrogate purely for the money).

Abitofalark · 20/04/2020 11:00

Generally, they wouldn't have to register as a charity with the Charity Commission if their income was under £5000, unless they were a type of incorporated body. Other possibilities would be that they came under the umbrella of a larger organisation and didn't need to register separately or that they should be registered but hadn't done so and the Commission hadn't caught up with them.

OhHolyJesus · 20/04/2020 12:33

Could it be that they are under Surrogacy UK then? With over 1,000 babies born their income at £600 a member should be well over £5k a year.

Triangle is their 'splinter group' where it suggests you "maintain a high profile" on this Facebook group to "get yourself noticed" - I'm not sure if this is for the surrogate or the intended parents. I read it as for the intended or commissioning parents and it specifies that "only intended parents and surrogates domiciled in the UK for the duration of the arrangement will be placed on the Triangle's 'active list'."

Maybe all this comes under Triangle then?

JoanOfQuarks · 20/04/2020 13:12

Thanks Fanny for your hard work finding out about this. It is shocking that the UK government is effectively at best turning a blind eye to UK children being sold abroad and at worst is complicit and endorsing the sale of human beings.

The fact that the UK tax payer foots then bill for this via the NHS and legal fees is obscene in a time when we have families living in poverty and living off food banks.

Women living in poverty are very vulnerable to this exploitative industry. Despite the UK saying it only permits ‘altruistic’ surrogacy, where no payment occurs - the ‘expenses’ for altruistic surrogacies in the UK are in the region of £15,000 to £30,000 based on whatever the commissioning buyer wants to pay. So, we effectively have a form of commercial human trafficking that while illegal is not being seen by the judicial system as problematic.

I notice on that COTS website that it says on its opening page (where it has a woman’s pregnant stomach with a big bow on it tied up like a present which is in particularly poor taste) that:

COTS is NOT an American style commercial surrogacy agency.

But then if you click on their page for surrogate mothers it has FAQs which states:

Can I Receive Payment As A Surrogate?

Yes it is quite acceptable to be paid reasonable expenses which amount to somewhere in the region of £12,000 to £15,000 being the average. It is very much an individual choice and will depend on your personal circumstances. Once you have chosen the couple you would like to help, then it would all be discussed with a template of an agreement to guide you.

Cots Webpage & the archive of the page should it disappear:

www.surrogacy.org.uk/surrogates

archive.is/vjAvK

To someone living in poverty without a proper understanding of the risks she was taking on, this sum of money could be seen as a huge sum.

The existing laws forbidding commercial surrogacy need to be properly enforced and long term the UK needs to follow Sweden and France and abolish this regressive and exploitative practice.

JoanOfQuarks · 20/04/2020 13:19

Very interesting observation about whether COTS is in fact part of Surrogacy UK, created as a legal vehicle to get around the fact that what they are essentially doing is breaking the law as it stands. COTS fulfilling the part of the commercial chain by presenting itself as a social group not an agency (which is really what it appears to be).
Surrogacy UK were the lobby group who boasted about gaming the first phase of the surrogacy consultation. I.e. getting members to blitz the consultation with pro surrogacy responses while the heath real public were unaware there was a consultation. I’ll try and find the link to that later.

JoanOfQuarks · 20/04/2020 13:20

Typo... Should have said....while the rest of the public were unaware...
Preview not working!

OhHolyJesus · 20/04/2020 13:50

Kim Cotton here says that COTS is a charity and that she wants to raise awareness and 'publicise' surrogacy and 'recruit' surrogates.

This is from 2015.

w_
FannyCann · 21/04/2020 08:02

Thanks for excellent digging JoanOfQuarks and OhHolyJesus

Kim Cotton extolling how it is a lovely way to get an extra year at home with your children is just ShockAngryShock
Not if you have a difficult pregnancy like the woman who wrote about her experience for Nordic model now. Let alone if you die.

I have heard back from my MP and Matt Hancock and not happy so I'm busy composing my response and thinking about next steps.

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FannyCann · 21/04/2020 08:06

Letter from DoH&S

This is driven by the demands for "reproductive rights" from diverse members of society who aren't able to reproduce without the services of women.

Family courts case from 2007 revealed the extent of non domiciled commissioning parents exploiting UK surrogate mothers and the NHS.
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FannyCann · 21/04/2020 08:09

Excellent article though she shouldn't really describe OHSS as a fatal condition - potentially fatal , yes it is dangerous.

www.feministcurrent.com/2020/04/19/surrogacy-is-not-a-gay-rights-issue-its-a-womens-rights-issue/

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PaleBlueMoonlight · 21/04/2020 08:58

This is really shocking. Were you able to set this out in your surrogacy consultation response? I am really worried that this is information the Commission will not know or will not take seriously.

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