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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Your Gender? A Friendly Guide to the Public Debate - a male philosopher writes at length on an issue he clearly doesn't understand

59 replies

stumbledin · 01/04/2020 23:44

I realise this is nothing new, but here is the latest example of how academics, especially male ones, think they can turn a real life issue for women into a paper to add to their CV.

The blog post is open for comments, but maybe the best thing is it having no comments to illustrate nobody cares what he thinks!

Published by Practical Ethics of University of Oxford blog.practicalethics.ox.ac.uk/2020/03/what-is-your-gender-a-friendly-guide-to-the-public-debate/

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MrsDoylesTeaBags · 02/04/2020 11:03

Jesus Christ, he might not know definitively if he is a man or a woman or indeed what a man or woman is, but he sure can talk a load of bollocks.

There’s no “manness” written in my genes.
No self awareness either.

RoyalCorgi · 02/04/2020 11:20

Brian needs to do less talking and more listening.

Oddly, that's one of ways you can tell he's a man.

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 02/04/2020 11:26

Bloody hell that was made for “TLDR” the major error (after publishing) was to “lightly” edit his talk.
I could let you know that, under the right conditions, I would be able to engage in penile-vaginal intercourse if it was consensual, and so forth.
Never even once has this chap given a women the Fanny gallops Confused

Clymene · 02/04/2020 11:34

Christ, I can't imagine any woman gets 'three drinks in' without going to the loo and trying to figure out if she can fit through the window to escape from Brian's mansplaining.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 02/04/2020 12:00

I'd be all "oh will you look at the time, I have to go hoover my cat and power wash the linoleum" before I'd finished the first drink.

LadyQuarantinaPluckington · 02/04/2020 12:02

Yeah, I think 'three drinks in' is probably 6 for the poor pub date, but Brian hasn't noticed because he's too busy with the sound of his own opining. Not sure at what point she will have texted her mates to ask them to phone her with a fake emergency, but I would think it's way before he makes his sexy suggestion of penile/vaginal intercourse.

MayTheGodsBeEverInYourFavour · 02/04/2020 12:31

The best thing to do if you meet somebody who says, “I’m a woman,” or whatever, is just to talk to them, hear their story, and let them tell you what’s important about their life. Hahaha. Like Brian would ever do that. He'd be too busy trying to butt in with his POV.

ScapaFlo · 02/04/2020 12:32

The first several thousand words could have been covered by "I'm a man"

LadyQuarantinaPluckington · 02/04/2020 12:49

Whenever I read these things now, I tend to have the theme tune to Two and a Half men in the back of my head...

smithsinarazz · 02/04/2020 13:53

@ScarlettBlaize - brilliant anagrams, really rather poetic.

stumbledin · 02/04/2020 14:43

I just cant understand how he was every asked to give a talk, and why after that someone thought to publish it.

Is it just some university thing of racking up number of talks given, number of papers published, even if no one listens to the talk or reads the paper.

Where is he working and what feedback is he getting that made him think he had anything to contribute.

[groan]

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Thelnebriati · 02/04/2020 14:51

First thing I thought of was Red Dwarf, Rimmer and C.L.I.T.O.R.I.S.

LadyQuarantinaPluckington · 02/04/2020 14:55

Is anyone else bored enough to hope he might venture into FWR to defend his work?

It'd while away a few minutes, wouldn't it?Grin

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/04/2020 15:12

That would be fun Grin

Thelnebriati · 02/04/2020 15:17

What if he 's gender critical though? Will he expect cookies?

MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing · 02/04/2020 15:19

I'm sure Philosophy For Planks or some such publication must have some handy cartoons on an early page about knowing the difference between an objective fact and a subjective belief.

Am now going to sing the Monty Python Philosophy Song:

John Stuart Mill, of his own free will, on half a pint of shandy was particularly ill.....

LadyQuarantinaPluckington · 02/04/2020 15:29

He's so not 'gender critical'. I read the whole thing.

ScapaFlo · 02/04/2020 16:52

I love that Monty Python song 'Aristotle Aristotle was a bugger for the bottle' Grin

Goosefoot · 02/04/2020 17:18

There is no way someone who wrote that should qualify for any sort of degree in philosophy.

PlanDeRaccordement · 02/04/2020 18:05

Awful lecture. So he says he is going to discuss the question “What does it mean to be a man or a woman?” And then completely avoids answering this question by saying it’s impossible to answer, all we can know is that we are all people with properties and attributes such as an organ called a cliteropenis. Um...ok...let’s just make up nonexistent organs why don’t we.

That “man” or “woman” are only “social categories” and that there is “no science” because there is “no manness written in my genes” No science? But he wittered on about XY and XX chromosomes apparently not understanding that the Y is manness written in his genes. Is he so uneducated that he does not understand that chromosomes are part of our genes?

Goosefoot · 02/04/2020 18:23

A lot of 20th century philosophy works that way, really. "We can't be sure about metaphysics, might as well act like it doesn't exist/matter, etc

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/04/2020 18:28

No science? But he wittered on about XY and XX chromosomes apparently not understanding that the Y is manness written in his genes.

I think he thinks, like so many of these people, that because people with transgender identities and/or intersex conditions exist it's not possible to define men and women biologically.

LadyQuarantinaPluckington · 02/04/2020 18:48

He thinks he is cutting edge, avant garde, pushing traditional boundaries blah blah blah.

Like most people who think that way, it's got fuck all to do with the factual content, it's an ego grandstand. This is why you get irrelevant conditions brought into the topic and these deliberately obscurant responses to basic requests for definition.

It's trying to pass for intellectualism, when actually it's a barely veiled "I know you are, but what am I?" style of keeping attention as long as possible without having to produce anything of worth.

You really do notice it in these kinds of TRA 'analytics' - be they in article form, or the tedious YouTube videos of TED talks etc. They are not intended to assist understanding, they are designed to befuddle the reader/listener and create an impression that the author has authority and therefore the current will concede, step back, and acquiesce meekly.

That's why, without fail, they always get their arses handed to them whenever they've decided to show up here. It doesn't work in a dialectical setting, it only has power when it's a lecture without opponents having a right of reply. That's why #NoDebate is a thing. Pure survival on their part.

LadyQuarantinaPluckington · 02/04/2020 18:50

Meh - 'current' is supposed to be 'questioner', not sure how that happened.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/04/2020 19:21

That's why, without fail, they always get their arses handed to them whenever they've decided to show up here. It doesn't work in a dialectical setting, it only has power when it's a lecture without opponents having a right of reply. That's why #NoDebate is a thing. Pure survival on their part.

YY. They have no power in the face of sceptical people being able to freely challenge their thinking. No arguments which stand up. And they all know it.