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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Change.org petition to keep the dictionary definition of 'woman' as it is, is removed as it constitutes 'hate speech'

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jadefinch · 26/03/2020 07:07

The Standing For Women petition to keep the dictionary definition of woman as 'adult human female' - to counter a petition and now growing movement that wants it broadened so that it includes any man who identifies as a woman - has been removed as it has been categorised as hate speech.

Change.org petition to keep the dictionary definition of 'woman' as it is, is removed as it constitutes 'hate speech'
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yetanotherusernameAgain · 26/03/2020 07:21

Do you have a link to the text of the petition? I can't find it online.

SnuggyBuggy · 26/03/2020 07:28

What do they want the definition changed to?

Woman:
Anyone who feels like one and likes wearing high heels and make up

OneEpisode · 26/03/2020 07:30

Unbelievable.

yetanotherusernameAgain · 26/03/2020 07:31

Here's Glinner on the topic:

mobile.twitter.com/Glinner/status/1242865921217171459

jadefinch · 26/03/2020 07:36

They want the definition to 'include examples representative of minorities, including transgender women'.

www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-wednesday-edition-1.5485533/why-activists-say-the-oxford-dictionary-of-english-results-for-woman-are-sexist-1.5487159

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Qcng · 26/03/2020 07:48

The people at Change.org are worse than 38degrees for this sort of thing.

Better off putting the counter petition on CitizenGo (yes I know in know they also plaform the religious right etc) because they are literally the only non-woke petition site around at the moment.

MrsDoylesTeaBags · 26/03/2020 07:55

That makes no sense at all and the fact that the person is a marketing consultant does make me wonder.
The dictionary definition of a woman is one thing and very clear, if people associate other sometimes derogatory terms with the word woman then that's their problem. Changing the definition of woman to an identity won't change that and many of the people who identify themselves as women will enjoy being referred to in those derogatory terms anyway, thats the point!

I think one side effect of this global pandemic is that less people will indulge this kind of behavior.

JustTurnedYourBackOnTheCrowd · 26/03/2020 08:47

If the dictionary definition becomes something along the lines of "a person who identifies with womanhood/being a woman", what word will I be able to use to describe myself then?

Because I don't identify as being a woman or anything else.

OhHolyJesus · 26/03/2020 08:59

The word woman doesn't exclude Asian women or disabled women, they are women enough, and additional word/s just adds further description.

Women with a DSD condition are women.

I am a woman with blonde hair, or I am a blonde woman. The colour of hair is relevant to my sex.

'Transwomen' by the very description are men.

The argument for this change to the definition is baseless. It doesn't wash. Self-isolation is doing no favours for those who subscribe to gender ideology.

I see this as an attack aimed squarely at Posie and its aimed at her because her campaign is working.

calllaaalllaaammma · 26/03/2020 09:15

How is fighting to maintain the dictionary definition of woman as ‘adult human female‘ hate speech?
I really thought that this debate had moved on and our side was being heard but these constant attack’s, boycotts & accusations of transphobia are sinister and meant to close down the debate.

JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown · 26/03/2020 10:44

I'm utterly sick of woke sexism. Women exist and we're not stereotypes. Time they got over it.

Michelleoftheresistance · 26/03/2020 11:09

Anything that excludes men from being women is 'hateful'.

Yeah. Misogyny on crack.

stumbledin · 26/03/2020 14:50

There is a new streamlined version of the petition which I think wont last long! See www.change.org/p/everyone-keep-the-dictionary-definition-of-woman-to-mean-adult-human-female

And existing thread here www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3860511--Oxford-Dictionary-of-English-is-altering-its-definition-of-Woman

Aesopfable · 26/03/2020 21:00

Wasn’t it change.org that allows you to change the wording and keep the signatures?

MoleSmokes · 01/04/2020 20:34

Signed the new one-liner Change petition - 426 signatures so far - looks like it was reported as it first came up as "this page has been removed" then it appeared again!
www.change.org/p/everyone-keep-the-dictionary-definition-of-woman-to-mean-adult-human-female

and also another on CitizenGo - 851 signatures so far (I know, religious-right, etc.) but it is unlikely to get deleted and has Posie's arguments (and more?) as per the original Change petition:
citizengo.org/en/177919-will-you-maintain-dictionary-definition-woman-adult-human-female-and-continue-exclude-males

Petition to: Oxford English Dictionary
Will you maintain the dictionary definition of "woman" as "adult human female," and continue to exclude males?

"The moment the dictionary allows that males can be women, the word "woman" becomes meaningless, and women's rights cease to exist as protections in a world designed around the preferences of men.

It is genuinely frightening to think that gender ideologues and trans activists could thenceforth refer to the dictionary definition of woman as inclusive of males. It would mean that the English language itself would be captured by irrational, pseudoscientific gender ideology.

Women are adult human females. Transwomen are transwomen. Transwomen are also male, and men. Under no circumstances are they capable of entering into the category 'woman.'

The dictionary records common usage of words. The use of the word "woman" to refer to transgender-identified males is not common, but a highly contested, extremely politicised outcome of the cognitive capture of academia and media by transgender activists.

We ask the Oxford English Dictionary to resist cognitive capture by recognising the serious political implications of expanding the term "woman" to include males."

Hannah021 · 01/04/2020 21:45

What can we do to object? Email them? Because they r discriminating against biological women to defend their identity. Disgusting

MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing · 03/04/2020 13:02

The OED records use without prejudice, although it can note when a usage is considered offensive.

MrGHardy · 03/04/2020 21:49

So change.org have basically said the current dictionary definition is "hate speech".

Lmfao, the absolute idiots.

TheTiaraManager · 05/04/2020 09:02

Bump

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