Mother and daughter retreat for anyone who feels like a woman

[WTFdidwedo]

honeywoodsevents.co.uk/event/mother-daughter-journey-2020-06-14/

This has just popped up on my Facebook as a local nature event for mothers and daughters. Upon reading more I notice this at the end of the article:

"We are creating space for you to explore and deepen your relationship with your mother/daughter in among the beauty of the trees.

Please note that we welcome any mothers and daughters who identify as women in any way – we recognise that these labels are often fluid and evolving."

There is literally no other way to be a mother and daughter?!

I didnt see anything about safeguarding, do they think they are exempt because people who identify as parents will be there?

learning.nspcc.org.uk/safeguarding-child-protection/safer-activities-events/

The best gift I can give my daughter is honesty. I will not be part of this grand lie, I won't make her move over to accept men into her spaces.

Another one of their Women only, unless you identify as a woman...So.man then

honeywoodsevents.co.uk/

We run supported solo wild camping trips for women, offering you the chance to try out wild camping with the safety and security of our experienced staff nearby.

Our wild camps are designed to give you the skills and confidence you need to set up your own camp including a shelter and fire, cook your meals, and enjoy the peace of the woodland all with the security of knowing we are on hand to support you if you need it.

We offer a 24-hour and a 48-hour camp, designed to give you the boost you need to try wild camping on your own.

We use an amazing woodland with areas of plantation and mixed coppice restoration near Chepstow.

Our wild camps are for people who identify as female.

It's farcical, really. Why have 'single gender' events? I can understand the universal experiences of being physically female. I can understand the shared experiences of lesbians. I believe there are legitimate universal for retail workers, for crying out loud.

But what is the unifying aspect of 'identifying as a woman'? It's so nebulous and vague.

What kind of person sets up these kind of events, I wonder.

What kind of person sets up these kind of events, I wonder.

The kind who wants no repeat or word of mouth business?

Watch that event fill up with people with penises and their mothers or daughters, and absolutely nobody else.

It sounds like a toe-curlingly wanky idea anyway.

Fair enough the mother/daughter thing - sitting around in the woods, supervised, no one taking their clothes off etc and clear on their website who can come - assuming therefore it would include transmen who will have been daughters and possibly mothers - an optional experience, trying to be inclusive... I get it.

I’d be far more concerned about people self identifying into a women’s wild camping experience

Just seemed like such a bizarre clause in an otherwise normal nature event.

I do wonder whether some trans women are attracted to any social event that is specifically for women even if they aren’t particularly interested in the nature of event itself. If it was an event for anyone of either sex I doubt they’d be fussed. Put the words Women Only on it and they are there like a shot.

Mustn't let those silly girls into the wild unchaperoned.

I belong to a women's wild camping group, it's a group within a mixed sex wild camping group, created specifically because being hampered by female biology causes issues that people with male biology don't have to deal with.

Like the number of times the mods have had to help those people lumbered with female biology deal with the stalkers and trackers even within the precautions of a protected, screened group trying to identify where they will be spending the night alone away from witnesses.

Think there's a bit of divide between those imagining a women who run with the wolves type girly girly pillow fight (or worse) experience they really want to be a part of, and females who just want to be able to hike overnight somewhere in peace without having to take a person with a penis for protection, or being stalked, harassed, raped or murdered by a person with a penis. Because of the overwhelming entitlement of people born with penises that endlessly stomps all over their lives.

Does anyone else get really pissed off about the male based constrictions of their lives constantly being appropriated and performed for male people's lovely personal validation experiences?

Female only camping wouldn't even be necessary if all male people were capable of respecting them and leaving them the fuck alone instead of seeing them as props in their own lives that they're entitled to use at will.

Presumably, like the Guides it includes transdaughters.

Does anyone else get really pissed off about the male-based constrictions of their lives constantly being appropriated and performed for male people's lovely personal validation experiences?

Yes, it's an interesting new experience, isn't it Michelle? After years of being pissed off about those constrictions on our own lives, we can now watch them being performed as entertainment for the very people who restrict our freedoms. I wonder why we don't seem to appreciate it ...

All relationships evolve but how many mothers would describe their 'label' as a mother as fluid.

My thoughts exactly.

And adding it here out of the way: I'm reading around the MN boards on multiple subjects today and thinking if you want to see womaning, here it is.

There are women sharing information, news, tweets, statistics, identifying which way the winds are blowing to be able to make plans and understand the politics and establishment, nationally and worldwide. It ranges from trying to figure out what their plans are for tomorrow to in depth number crunching for a better picture than the news is providing. They're bickering and sniping at times, and still managing to get info shared and explored.

There are women working out how to make food stretch further, how to get needed care for children and loved ones, supporting women who are ill or whose children are ill, raising awareness about supermarkets and shops and the social behaviour that will help and not help. They're advising on coping with school issues and work issues and legal issues, with advice ranging from hand holding to professional insight, sometimes given in true viper style with little patience. They've led the way on people preparing for shortages and isolation to avoid panic buying and pooled information on what a family may need and how to plan it.

They're pooling information and often very dry support on wtf to do with kids of all ages stuck at home or panicking over partings from boyfriends and how to balance differing extended family needs.

There's no costume, it's wholly anonymous, no one in these threads gives a fuck about their nails, hairstyle or identity, these are women talking to women, helping women, and mostly the focus is on how they and their loved ones get through day by day. This is the wife work, the carer crap, the support human work that women excel at and there are no males in sight. There's a total lack of magical essence or biology free gender identitied community here, it's women. Women, being women and doing what women do, talking to each other the way women do when there's no kids or males to be careful in front of, expecting from each other the extreme standards women do. They're bloody fantastic.

I don’t have children can I just self-identify as a mother and my husband can identify as my daughter and we can go?

@Michelleoftheresistance

Well said

Absolutely agree Michelle. I've just been in to my local town centre and it was only women getting "supplies" and discussing plans.

Speaking strictly for myself, I would rather eat my own eyeballs than go wild camping, but I am surprised that someone can be so in tune with nature and yet know so little about human biology.

Can you hear me cheering Michelle? Great post!

Fab post Michelleoftheresistance .
And yes - that's how I feel about Mumsnet.