Nicky Clark is listening

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Nicky Clark is now following WPUK, LGB Alliance and Dr Fond of Beetles.

I hope more women will be inspired to open their minds and listen to what these grassroots organisations are saying.

twitter.com/mrsnickyclark/status/1238839966677061632?s=21

This is so the way language is used as a control mechanism. God, honestly, this movement could be studied to show the system working. It's bloody textbook.

Nicky was one of the core, recognisable TRAs

This. Whether you like her or not, it’s still astonishing to see how anyone who challenges the ideology in any tiny way is driven onwards in their journey. Their community seem unable to help themselves or see the damage they are doing. With one or two (dis)honourable exceptions, this driving force only works in one direction to anyone whose mind is opened even a crack.

Yes, and what is so fascinating to me is that she will have used every one of these coercive methods herself, but it is perfectly possible, and indeed likely, that she had no idea she was doing it.

By welcoming the heretics (being any minor deviation from approved thinking) when they're driven out by the trans activists we help the trans activists continue to make their mistakes. If they drive out anyone who cannot be 100% pure then they will destroy their cause.

Yes. Cult rescue 101 - they will have been drilled that the world is against them, as one of the means of keeping compliance. So show them it's not true, because it isn't. I'm very dull about bringing it back to this constantly, but we have to keep our focus clear. This is not an 'anti-trans' battle.

The only reason this touches on trans anything is because that is the currently effective means to attack women's and girls rights, and undermine safeguarding for all those bad actors who want that.

Who is she anyway? Why is she a blue tick

Disability rights campaigner.

I would not tell anyone to lower their boundaries but, in general, the ability of feminists to treat even those who are unpleasent with basic respect (as opposed to being nice), and to engage on the facts rather than throw abuse, is a large part of why the tide is turning.

I'm very dull about bringing it back to this constantly, but we have to keep our focus clear. This is not an 'anti-trans' battle.

Be as dull as you want, it needs saying. If the nutters manage to frame the debate as anti-trans, they win. If we focus on women's rights, we win.

Bloody hell I’m stunned by her reversal/current position (does anyone really go back?) “Not all feminists who question GRA are transphobes; my worry is that questioning is deemed transphobic”

Not all feminists who question GRA are transphobes; my worry is that questioning is deemed transphobic

If I may (can anyone tell I'm quarantined and desperate for mental exercise yet?), she's started out there with a phrase we might miss the weight of. She's said 'Not all feminists'. The all there is doing a lot of work, because she's trying to signal that she is still a paid up member, she still believes that a feminist who questions the GRA is most likely a transphobe, but she is trying to give herself room to ask the questions that have been niggling at her.

And then she comes out with it - she is afraid of being called a witch transphobic for asking questions. For any thinking person, eventually, that realization that asking questions is sinful will either be a passport to freedom, or a stone in their shoe for life that will make them a very, very angry person and a harsh enforcer, as they try to squash their own misgivings.

I am very interested to see which way she jumps, and I hope it's to freedom.

It's also interesting to see women who she was happy to chuck under the bus, actually being supportive while still calling her out on her previous behaviour. This is where we differ from the transcult.

Very surprised to see Janey Godley being supportive too. I had to block her because she was being vile to women and calling them transphobes for wanting to keep men out of their spaces.

Beautiful analysis there, FloralBunting. Love the stone in the shoe analogy. Yes, so many TRAs and allies are in constant annoyed discomfort as a result of trying to maintain an impossible faith while living in fear of being purged.

I used to wonder how the Nazis, Mao, Pol Pot etc had seized control of people and now I know.

“Nicky Clark is listening”

I don’t care.

Stone in shoe, lovely analogy.

I see that Buzfeed twit is also now a potential TERF due to his response to the smoke bombs at Grenfell. Also, interesting take on that thread from one idiot who suspects the smoke bombs were actually planted by the TERFS to make the lovely TRAs look bad. Just ignoring the twat dressed in a mask with a dildo then

It won't make me like her but it may be a catalyst @Ikeasucks

I don't know her from Adam but she seems to have realised that she has to go to the sources herself instead of receivng her wisdom from others. That Dawn McKenna is acting like her minder

I don’t particularly care, Ikea. I thought it was interesting that’s all. If you’re not interested, that’s fine.

That link that Ikea put up was interesting. The confusion between women being "defined" by their biology.

It's worth clarifying how this confusion arises.

Literally, women are defined by our biology. We are the ones who give birth.

Metaphorically, we don't want our personalities, ambitions, abilities to be defined by our biology. It affects our needs, but it doesn't affect how we dress, whether we are artists or scientists, whether we are politically active or not. This list is endless. This is the sense where we don't want to be defined by our biology, having choices removed due to stereotypical expectations based on our sex.

Absolutely, testing. Traditionally explained by feminists pointing out the difference between

' sex- the immutable characteristic of either being the class that produces large gametes, or small gametes'

and

' gender - the expectations placed upon each sex which are culturally coded and not inherent'.

Talking about why this has become obscured is another labyrinthine topic, but it's the best and clearest way of cutting through the confusion I've found.

We are the ones who give birth.

Yes, women have either given birth, they may have wished to do so but found they couldn't for medical or social reasons, they may choose not to do so, they may not have done so but intend to do so in the future.

But there isn't a "neutral" state.

I've granted myself an Internet afternoon and keep having a look to see what's being directed at Clark:

twitter.com/search?q=MrsNickyClark&f=live

Fascinating to see the different forms of policing going on to steer her back to the one true path. The Andrew James Carter wokebeard is particularly persistent with his accusations of who has been consorting with witches.

IIRC, Janey Godley jumped on the bandwagon in response to the razors behind the stickers nonsense, after some in the Scottish comedy scene said it was all true.

Eejits.

That's a quite the panicked pile on by the TRAs. They are desperate for her to not read, not listen, not make up her own mind. Glad to see she is not obeying.

IIRC, Janey Godley jumped on the bandwagon in response to the razors behind the stickers nonsense, after some in the Scottish comedy scene said it was all true

I remember that. She went full on TRA and was absolutely vile. She alienated a lot of women who'd initially admired her. I was one of them.Turned out she was another cowardly dick panderer.

Janey Godley is an odd duck. I honestly can't work her out. I think she says things just to be contrary.

But you're spot on, though Sisyphus, she is vile.

I can't bear her.