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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Murdo Fraser on the back of last week’s seminar at the Scottish Parliament.

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rogdmum · 11/03/2020 06:29

Last week the Scottish Parliament held a seminar on gender dysphoria in children and adolescents. Murdo Fraser (Scottish Conservative MSP) attended and has written a column on the back of it.

As a side note- the seminar was excellent. Three outstanding speakers - Drs David Bell and Margaret McCartney and detransitioner Sinead Watson. A number of MSPs attended with others sending researchers/assistants and hopefully it has helped communicate the concerns around the proposed GRA reforms.

www.scotsman.com/health/are-unscientific-ideas-about-gender-causing-irreparable-harm-childrens-lives-murdo-fraser-2446013

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2Rebecca · 11/03/2020 07:56

Excellent. He has been tweeting increasingly on this. I really don't understand the mentality of MPs and MSPs who think all this affirmation and hormones and surgery for all stuff is fine

Babdoc · 11/03/2020 08:06

The SNP and Labour are irretrievably woke and have sold women down the river. The Conservatives are the only hope for preserving our hard won rights.

MarchMare · 11/03/2020 08:44

Murdo has been very good on this.

If you scroll forward to 30 minutes you'll see the wonderful Rhona Hotchkiss argue with Kirsty Blackman MP. All very respectful, but you can almost see Kirsty's hands over her ears...

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000g6pd/politics-live-10032020

Have to say, I hate this adoption of "my feminism" as if every individual gets to define what feminism means. Feminism centres women and girls - end of story. Nicola Sturgeon and Kirsty Blackman do not get to invite men in.

And are we still defining women as the ones with long hair and make up, Kirsty? Depressing stuff from a young female politician

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 11/03/2020 09:51

The Conservatives are the only hope for preserving our hard won rights.

We shouldn't forget how far this has come on their watch.

Winesalot · 11/03/2020 10:08

Kirsty unfortunately comes across as naively wanting the best for everyone. That was her answer to it without actually acknowledging the Rhona’s point about the fact that it is the young LGB people who are highly impacted.

R0wantrees · 11/03/2020 12:06

The SNP and Labour are irretrievably woke and have sold women down the river. The Conservatives are the only hope for preserving our hard won rights.

All political parties have failed in their responsibilities to protect women's sex-based rights & Safeguarding frameworks.

The UK policies which have undermined these have been implemented under Conservative & SNP governments.

Individual MPs/MSPs from a number of parties have spoken up. More need to do so.

James Kirkup Spectator, 'In praise of the MPs who spoke out in the trans debate'
(extract)
here is an old Westminster joke that says if you want to keep something secret, say it on the floor of the House of Commons. Day-to-day parliamentary business doesn’t often get the attention of national media outlets and thus the wider country.

This is understandable but also a pity because we often end up missing our elected representatives doing the things we expect of them: debating important things, discussing subjects that concern voters, even sometimes showing thoughtful leadership.

I’ve spent most of my career around MPs. Maybe I’ve been captured, but I often think they deserve a bit more respect than they get. Most work very hard (and much harder than when I started my first job in the Commons in 1994) and take their jobs very seriously. Yes, they’re paid well above the national average, but I’ve honestly never met an MP who did the job for the money; the hours, the dislocated life and the abuse simply don’t justify it. Besides, politicians are largely motivated by things other than money: they crave attention, validation and power instead.

And sometimes, they’re just driven by the things they believe. Which brings me to the Commons debate held on Friday 6 March about International Women’s Day.

Among the speakers was Jackie Doyle-Price, Conservative MP for Thurrock and former health minister. I’m going to quote part of her speech at length because I think it deserves to be read in full:

'I am particularly uncomfortable that the debate around trans rights and gender dysphoria has become pitted against the rights of women. It is surely not beyond the wit of policymakers to devise a set of rules and principles that protect the rights of transsexuals to find a way of living their lives and not discriminate against women at the same time.

'Those of us who want to see women-only safe spaces are not guilty of hate crime against trans people — not at all. I think people who are trans want to quietly get on with their lives. It does not help any of them that they are pitted against women in this terrible, horrible toxic debate.

'The only people who are winning through this debate are those men who use their power to oppress women and see the opportunity to claim the right to self-identify as a weapon. None of us in this room should collude with that. We have already seen the case of Karen White, who self-identified as a woman, went into prison and committed crimes against fellow inmates. We must be able to devise a law that stops that happening but also supports those who are most vulnerable and need to have their rights defended.

'Parliament has failed to give proper oversight of the growing number of transgender interventions for younger people. We have allowed treatments to develop at the Tavistock really unsupervised. " (continues)

concludes:
I’ve been writing about this issue for just over two years, generally making the same point: this is an important topic that is not being properly debated or scrutinised by the people we elect and appoint to provide such scrutiny. So I’m greatly cheered by that debate last week and the contributions of those two MPs. Nor do I underestimate the courage it takes to dor them to do this. The abuse and threats that are directed at women (but not, in my experience, men) who speak about this stuff are all too real. Jackie Doyle-Price and Joanna Cherry should be applauded.

Now, wouldn’t it be nice to hear some male MPs do their jobs and talk about this too? I know very well how many of them have worries and concerns, and how few of them express those concerns in public. Hopefully, the example set by their female colleagues will encourage some to be a bit braver and start talking trans. It’s time to man up, chaps."
www.spectator.co.uk/article/in-praise-of-the-mps-who-spoke-out-in-the-trans-debate

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