Wow - BBC article on detransitioners

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I have to dash out so not even got time to finish reading it myself yet - but this is really worth a read. So sad to see all the same reasons coming up again for young women deciding they are trans.... (will put link in 2nd post to make sure it works)

www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-51806011

That is a hell of a story. Surprised that the BBC ran it.

BBC still hedging their bets stating that the the couple de-transitioning are atypical - but publishing it is a start...

BBC finally acknowledges in bold:

it wasn’t that I wanted to be a boy, I just didn’t want to be a woman

THIS.

Good luck to both of them.

I was just coming to post about this one. The language used is very careful - most people who transition are happy, this is about them and not a wider judgment of other trans people etc, which is a bit but at least the story is being covered.

So sad that they had mastectomies and their voices are permanently deepened.

‘It wasn’t that I wanted to be a boy. I just didn’t want to be a woman’ That resonated with me. When I was 14 (many years ago) I felt exactly like that. Just so pissed off that I’d been born a woman. The difference is that now I might have thought it was possible to ‘un-woman’ myself. I hate to think I could have been facilitated to make that happen. Dear BBC, do the world a favour and make this into a TV programme and show THAT on CBBC instead of the ‘I am Leo’-type programmes.

Surprised that the BBC ran it.

It's the World Service, not the section you pay a license for. The great old commercial funded world service actually does it's job pretty well, It's the British license funded bit that brain washes.

BBC still hedging their bets stating that the the couple de-transitioning are atypical - but publishing it is a start...

Hearteningly, they also go on to say that there is no research at all on how many people detransition.

Sorry, by heartening, I mean they acknowledge there is no research.
"There is little academic research about detransition. The studies that have been done suggest the rate of detransition is very low - one put the proportion of trans people who return to the gender they were assigned at birth at less than 0.5%. But so far, researchers have not taken a large cohort of transitioning people and followed them over a number of years.

"The longitudinal studies just haven't been done," says Dr Catherine Butler, a clinical psychologist at the University of Bath."

It's brilliant that these young people's stories are being told - their voices are such an important part of the debate so great that the BBC is printing this.

But still so, so much bullshit ingrained into the writing. 'Gender assigned at birth' repeated several times, 'Gender Identity' still written about as though it were an objective fact - that glossary of terms made me more than a bit stabby.

And these comments just breaks my heart:

"All those physical changes I experienced during my transition helped me develop a closer relationship with my body - they're just part of my journey," says Ellie.

Nele is similarly sanguine.

"Bodies change through ageing and accidents - I don't feel sad my breasts are gone."

Surely only people who have grown up in a consumer society where cosmetic surgery has become completely normalised could actually think that bodily modification surgery is just part of life's journey in the same way that natural bodily development is.

Still good to see the article published - and also the complex link with eating disorders made by the psychotherapist.

We really need to prepare young girls for puberty. I had little to no understanding of what was happening to my body.

It’s the same things again and again, poor souls.
Lesbian, sporty, hating male gaze, rejecting stereotypes, eating disorder. I’m glad they found their way home, but I’m so sorry for all they’ve been through to get there.

Incorrect use of “assigned at birth” ✅
Problems with gender stereotypes ✅
Confusion about sexuality ✅
Dealing with abuse from men ✅
Co-existing mental health issues/eating disorder ✅
Rapid affirmation from therapist with no exploration of any of the above ✅
Rapid progression to hormone treatment with its irreversible effects ✅
Complete failure of adequate consent for such treatments ✅
Ongoing mental health problems despite medical affirmation ✅

Every single issue we here all know all in one story.

But sure, there’s nothing to see, no problems with kids going down this pathway, it’s rare, doesn’t matter, only a small number, these two were never really trans, let’s discredit them blah blah blah.

Those advocating this should be ashamed. I hope these two women can continue with their happiness.

isnt the reason that there has been no large cohort research on transitioning is that the academics who wanted to do it got stymied?? I thought I read that somewhere

Was just coming to post this

Amazed to see it on BBC

So many women esp feminists said all this, about how female puberty, growing breasts, the way men start behaving is distressing. This is nothing new, when I was young baggy clothes and starving yourself were the things girls did to try and escape. Now they can trans. It's so obvious, to so many women. But what we know is irrelevant isn't it, we're just silly old bigots.

I say feminists especially as the difference in the way I was treated Vs boys was what made me a feminist before I knew the word and I hated the way men started looking etc after puberty, really hated it. And continued to hate it, thankfully I'm in age of invisibility now!

Here you are Kit19 - Professor Michael Biggs has uncovered the Tavistock's shameful lack of research:

www.transgendertrend.com/tavistock-experiment-puberty-blockers-update/

Also James Caspian was blocked by his University from carrying out research.

isnt the reason that there has been no large cohort research on transitioning is that the academics who wanted to do it got stymied??

Yes, there are no studies on detransitioners because the transactivists say it's transphobic and always get it kiboshed.

One example is James Caspian's study, Bath Spa University said he wasn't allowed to do it because of "political correctness".

Sorry, posted with Languishing.

Posie Parker said in her interview with JHB last week:

One of the biggest differences between trans boys and trans girls is that the boys want to be girls; the girls don't want to be women

I can't help finding it weird. I'm a woman but I spent my whole childhood in a state of total confusion about the idea that "girls don't"...do any of the things I enjoyed. I liked science and models and climbing and getting dirty. I still do. But it would never have crossed my mind that I was somehow "in the wrong body". I hated my body as a teenager, and I starved it all away. Now that I'm through all that, I have no problems with identity, and I have breastfed for so many years that the thought of growing up now makes me wonder if I'd still have breasts at all.

‘It wasn’t that I wanted to be a boy. I just didn’t want to be a woman’

Yes, that was very powerful: and in all the TRA rubbish, points out how utterly binary their thinking is.

I currently despair at the kind of world that girls and young women are growing up into, that they'd rather have body-mutilating surgery than try to find a way to be women in sexed bodies, but gender non-conforming.