NY Times: ‘Transphobia Is Everywhere in Britain’

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Yet another ridiculously narcissistic and paranoid article by a TRA attempting to smear feminists and shut down debate. On the positive side, I guess it indicates that gender-critical people are actually having more success here in getting their voices heard here in Britain than across the Pond.

www.nytimes.com/2020/03/09/opinion/britain-transphobia-labour-party.html

“Transphobia Is Everywhere in Britain
It’s a respectable bigotry, on the left as well as the right.”

"Honesty and realism are everywhere in Britain. It's all most upsetting."

Sounds like the tras are getting worried. As the majority are not science deniers and never will be. Shouting louder will not change this. Transphobe? Meh. I don't care. You can't change sex, male pattern violence does not reduce upon declaration of altered gender, and medically transing children is child abuse. And science deniers are as deluded as flat earth earthers.

So much of the discourse in the US is founded on narratives which do not apply here........And the whole identity politics stuff has come straight out of that, and is now starting to shape and influence 'the left' here, and in a way which is quite alien to its traditions and roots.

Yeah. The young wokesters who have learned US style IDPOL online are all threatening to leave labour when Keir Starmer becomes leader.

Fingers crossed, eh?

I think they should leave labour. They've ruined what it set out to be. Labour will never stand a chance whilst it is full of science denying, woman hating, wokesters.

So much of the discourse in the US is founded on narratives which do not apply here.

Absolutely this.

The fundamental difference is that we have all rights except those the law takes away. In the USA, you only have those rights given to you by the Constitution.

Yep. Perhaps the wokesters here would be happier battling it out with Trump over there. I've checked and yep, we can spare them.

I wouldn't care so much but my oh-so liberal east coast friends hang on every word in the NYT and assume it knows far better than I could.

"at risk of hate crime and denied equal access to public services, health care, housing and employment"
I would be first to Downing St if I thought anyone was actually being denied access to health care! They really are conflating our system with theirs and assuming trans people don't have health insurance and therefore no health care. I work for a GP and we have loads of trans people on our register, some on GIDS waiting lists, some have socially transitioned and are perfectly content - they all have meaningful and productive appointments with GPs, get hormone prescriptions as necessary. Who the f**k does this writer think she is, telling the world that Britain is treating its citizens unequally?

And apparently radical feminism imported from the US in the 1970s!!?! Really?? So the feminism that my mum was displaying then had nothing to do with how she was treated by the patriarchy, having young children, not working, and reading The Guardian?

Talk about being hard of thinking.
Aaaaargh 😡

"at risk of hate crime and denied equal access to public services, health care, housing and employment"

Jaques worked as an administrator in NHS trusts, benefitted from treatment by NHS gender identity clinics & has then been an advisor for various Brighton/East Sussex health boards & groups:
2014
www.newstatesman.com/juliet-jacques/2014/09/goodbye-nhs-personal-story-public-service

This sort of article is ironic when you look at attitudes to trans issues by country.

This reminds me of Trump saying whole sections of London were no-go areas for the police.

Do not forget "Steven Hawking would be dead if he was British." And President Obama's speech where he praised the USA for inventing the motor car.

They really are that thick. Their coverage of the 2012 Olympic opening ceremony went to an ad break when Tim Berners-Less came on. They did not have a clue who he was.

It’s such a load of obvious bobbins.

Jacques went from bog standard NHS admin staff to Guardian Columnist, Published Author and Filmmaker with a curated film series at the ICA and an international arts residency in Ukraine via a fully NHS funded medical and surgical transition.

That doesn’t exactly look like marginalisation.

What makes me laugh in all the US commentary I see on this is the assumption that US feminism, which has achieved precisely nothing since Roe vs Wade and is at risk of losing even that, is some kind of gold standard for the rest of us to aspire to.

An American friend once expressed surprise that her company's UK offices didn't have a room for breastfeeding mothers to "pump" in, like we live in the Stone Age ... She was staggered to find that her European colleagues got 12 months' maternity leave, lots of it on full pay, making expressing pretty much a non-issue.

Yes yes @AsCoolAsLangCleg I’m genuinely baffled that America is held up as a standard for feminism when women have fewer rights there than pretty much anywhere else in the west...

Also this headline is just making me think of Rik from the young ones pollution poem “pollution is always around.....” 😆

And Roe v Wade is not much help when planned parenthood clinics close because staff are shot dead by the "Right To Life" Irony deficiency brigade.

The Equal Rights Amendment meanwhile now has the necessary number of state endorsements, only took fifty years, but now some signatories say their consent has expired, so it looks dead.

If wanting Female athletes to be female
and Women scientists to be women
makes me a transphobe
I'm happy to wear that badge

US Feminists should put a bit more work into

• rights to sick pay for women and men
• rights to maternity pay
• rights to free contraception
• rights to abortion

and less into sulking at our side of the pond

Absolutely, Listening.

Hopefully we’ll be having our rights to single sex spaces and services renewed and reinforced shortly, they would benefit from arguing for the same over the pond.

If you want to know what actual American feminists are thinking and doing, you could do worse than to listen to Kara Dansky of WoLF at Speaker’s Corner on Sunday (starting about 20:45 in):

m.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb-Lck5Lq4w

OneEnedStick: "Transphobia is everywhere in Britain" ? Yes, I'm sure. We have dictionaries and medical textbooks here in Australia as well.

"It’s a respectable bigotry, on the left as well as the right."

Woah woah woah, I thought we just right-wing fundamentalist bigots.

The fact they've realised some of us are lefties maybe means that they've actually started to listen a teeny bit to what women are saying.

We could almost count that as a win.