"Womxn discriminates against men!"

[SwerfandTurf]

Grrrr.

I'm a member of a feminist group and there is currently a big debate going because a lesbian organisation used the word "womxn" to describe who a lesbian dating event was aimed at. Not complaints from lesbians with (whisper it) "genital preferences". Complaints that "womxn" EXCLUDES MEN.

People in a feminist group actually complained that a lesbian dating event who explicitly say "transwomen are welcome" are being transphobic in excluding transmen and non-binary people.

Is this the next step in eradicating women's rights? We've been told for a long time that sex doesn't exist, only gender exists, and that it's transphobic to want to date people of a particular sex. Now we're being told that it's transphobic to want to date people of a particular gender too? How long before the words "lesbian" and "gay" are banned outright?

I have nothing against transmen, but surely choosing to live your life as a man means giving up access to womanhood? Why would anyone think they can be a man and also date lesbians? Ttranswomen are not insisting they should still have access to male-only spaces or that gay men should date them. Once again it's only female spaces which are being violated.

Why would anyone think they can be a man and also date lesbians?

I know a few trans men. They all look like women, sound like women and fancy women. They have bought the idea that their discomfort with puberty and female stereotypes means they are men.

Why would anyone think they can be a man and also date lesbians?

All the trans men I know are dating lesbians 🤷‍♀️

I can see that if the event was inclusive to trans women then it would be strange to exclude trans men and non binary people.

In my experience lesbians do have genital preferences and would therefore be much more likely to want to date a trans man than a trans woman.

Exactly. If it is an event specifically for women for a reason, let's keep it female only. So no trans "women" as they are male but absolutely yes to females who come under the trans umbrella.

I can see that if the event was inclusive to trans women then it would be strange to exclude trans men and non binary people.

Why? It isn't logically consistent with their ideology.

MTFs are only included in women only events because they claim to be women so think they should be included for that reason. What's the grounds for excluding men as a biological class if FTMs are included?

Whose ideology?

If a lesbian dating event is trans inclusive then it stands to reason it would include biological females attracted to other biological females, even if some of them identify as men.

No it doesn't. Because trans ideology is about gender identity, not "biological females". Believing that biological sex matters is transphobic.

People in a feminist group actually complained that a lesbian dating event who explicitly say "transwomen are welcome" are being transphobic in excluding transmen and non-binary people.
Either someone is taking the piss or they have finally discovered the logical fallacy at the heart of their own definition. If a transwomen can be considered as a woman, then they can be invited to a lesbian-dating event. If a transman is being totally realistic and realising that their best hope dating pool is lesbians, or doesn't identify as a man, if a non-binary person isn't exclusively a man or a woman, or exclusively masculine or feminine, then why can't they come as well? Because once you mess about with language like this and make it totally subjective, then the only people who can't come are those who disinvite themselves, and how dare you predict that based on what you have assumed about how they identify, or how they identified yesterday......

So, according to TRAs, I'm sure the event should be for anyone who feels they want to come.........
And logically I can't see that they could constrain it in any other way. Because if two females who identify as men, and identify as gay men sometimes want to come, because they want to, who are the TRAs to stop them and query their identity?
Because according to their own ideology you have no right to say anything about anyone else, as far as I can see.

This is curious and potentially contradictory because one of the tenets of "gender identity" ideology is that biological sex does not exist:

Either someone is taking the piss or they have finally discovered the logical fallacy at the heart of their own definition.

Yes exactly this.

If a lesbian dating event is trans inclusive then it stands to reason it would include biological females attracted to other biological females, even if some of them identify as men.

It has to be one way or the other. Either biology matters and the event should be for all female bodied people (women and transmen), or gender identity matters and it should be for "c*s" women and transwomen.

Either someone is taking the piss or they have finally discovered the logical fallacy at the heart of their own definition.

Are you telling us that the Emperor is in fact naked?

There is a point with this where it's become so loopy that the only possible response is to smile and nod while edging quietly away.

"How long before the words "lesbian" and "gay" are banned outright?"
I don't think banned, I think the aim would be (as with woman), removing all possible references to actual sex or genital preferences. So, for example, a transwoman who is still married to their wife could identify as a lesbian, whatever their spouse actually feels about it. Although of course, anyone who looks like they might be cis and doesn't declare it is immediately suspect...........

Basically, anyone who manages to convince anyone else in the cult that they are a true-believer is okay -- anyone who isn't in, is the real problem. Believe this or else...............

How did it exclude non binary people? You can be a lesbian/bisexual AND nonbinary.

Although I do think womxn is really cringe.