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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Help me pluck up the courage.

18 replies

FairfaxAikman · 08/03/2020 14:27

I've been quietly GC for a couple of years now but I'm now wavering in the point of "fuck it".

I have this typed up to post on FB but haven't yet had the courage to post it.

If I do I will hide it from my colleagues (I'm genuinely friends with some of them and for others it makes work easier) as I'm not quite THAT brave yet.

Help me take the leap.

I may lose friends for this but frankly I’m past caring, this is International Women’s Day and this is just too damn important.

Some of you will disagree with me, and that’s fine, but if you unfriend me for stating facts then you obviously weren’t a very good friend in the first place.

Women don’t have penises.
Women and girls have sex based rights. 'Sex' must not be replaced with 'gender identity’.

The Scottish Government consultation of reforming the gender recognition act, which would ultimately allow anyone who “identifies as a woman” to enter women’s toilets etc no questions asked, ends on March 17.

Fill it out and also sign the petition: www.change.org/p/the-rt-hon-elizabeth-truss-mp-minister-for-women-and-equalities-women-uniting-call-on-the-government-to-protect-our-sex-based-rights

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OhHolyJesus · 08/03/2020 14:43

Go for it OP, what or who you will lose either don't get it, don't want to get it, or don't value you in their lives enough to listen.

I've lost friends over this but gained so, so much more than I have lost. Chances are you will find out who amongst your FB friends are GC themselves.

Don't feel you need to defend your views or explain why recognising biology is not transphobic.

As the trans agenda promotes being your 'true self', be your true self and go for it x

TheWildPlaces · 08/03/2020 14:44

That's a great post Smile

I had my own "fuck it" moment on Facebook last summer and it felt SO good. A few of my more sensible friends Liked my post and I know it made a few more think. I now don't feel scared and couldn't give a stuff if anyone blocks me over it. It really is liberating and the sky won't fall downSmile

FairfaxAikman · 08/03/2020 15:00

I suppose I'm just worried about being pulled up at work.

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R0wantrees · 08/03/2020 15:05

It might be better to lead with female hospital wards, prisons etc

Also that will be impossible to ask questions of any male who is in female only space.

There are inquiries already starting into both hospitals & prisons where self id policies were brought in before the proposed GRA changes.

Sypha · 08/03/2020 15:06

Do it. You’ll feel so much better AND loads of people will comment or message you to say they feel the same way.

And you won’t feel so isolated. It’s great.

Thelnebriati · 08/03/2020 15:10

Women and girls have sex based rights because we need them. 'Sex' is not 'gender identity’.

FTFY.

FairfaxAikman · 08/03/2020 15:12

Is this better R0wantrees?

I may lose friends for this but frankly I’m past caring, this is International Women’s Day and this is just too damn important.

Some of you will disagree with me, and that’s fine, but if you unfriend me for stating facts then you obviously weren’t a very good friend in the first place.

Women don’t have penises.
Women and girls have sex based rights. 'Sex' must not be replaced with 'gender identity’.

The Scottish Government is consulting on reforming the gender recognition act, which ends on March 17.

If the law is changed then ultimately any male who “identifies as a woman” will be able to access female-only services, including hospital wards, prisons and changing rooms.
This change will also make it impossible to ask questions of any male who is in female only space, just in case, which is giving a carte blanche to predators.

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OhHolyJesus · 08/03/2020 15:20

If you're worried OP, check your employers social media policy before posting (but I get that today is the day).

If they don't have one then they can't say what you can and can't do on your own personal page.

R0wantrees · 08/03/2020 15:23

I think you'll have a much better conversation with people from that start point.

It might be a good idea to have a few resources (newspaper, links to good speeches ready for those areas)
A lot of people won't be aware.
If you decide beforehand how you'd like the conversation to go forward it should be easier to keep in on track.

There's a useful link here to evidence-based guidance to complete the ScotsGov consultation.
forwomen.scot/

The 'there have always been TW in toilets' & 'how are you going to police people's genitals?' etc is a standard TRA cul de sac of misdirection!

FairfaxAikman · 08/03/2020 15:23

I know we have one

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NYnachos · 08/03/2020 15:39

I think it's a good post but I'd remove the first two paragraphs - don't apologise in advance, own what you're saying. The result will be the same either way 🙂

R0wantrees · 08/03/2020 15:50

There should be no shame in standing up for women & girls sex-based rights or the Safeguarding of children & Vulnerable Adults.

(the latter is every adult's responsibility)

FairfaxAikman · 08/03/2020 15:56

Nachos I want to make it clear that I do t care if they unfriend me. That if they do they are the problem, not me, because although I think gender is bollox I respect that they are allowed to have a different opinion (rather than this no debate crap)

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midgebabe · 08/03/2020 16:02

Yeah but for people who know nothing about it you are presenting it as controversial

effectively telling people that many people will disagree with you

since most people follow the herd, using the first 2paragraohs will bias how people read what you have written, not in a good way
?

R0wantrees · 08/03/2020 16:30

FairfaxAikman

Have a watch of Dr Julia Long's speech at Speakers' Corner:

Whatsnewpussyhat · 08/03/2020 18:13

I post stuff on FB. Few respond. But someone then told me she reads everything I post and agrees with it all but is afraid to respond.

The public are waking up

smithsinarazz · 09/03/2020 20:37

Being a person who publicly voices a heretical opinion is not always easy. Some people may think you've become the most awful reactionary, and either a) cut you off or b) start copying you in to noxiously racist posts, or something. You may get a bit of willy-waving and threats.
However, remember this: changes for the better are never initiated by people who do exactly what's expected of them. And feminists have never been described as nice. Nor have heretics.
I think things have changed of late: the argument is out there and is raging. On the one hand, the demands of the TRAs are ever more extreme and bizarre; on the other, and partly because of that, there are more people saying "Hang on a bit, this is bollocks!" You may find more support than you think you will.
Stay scrupulously polite, make it clear that you don't have any objections to a man wearing a dress if that's what floats his boat, and be proud of yourself. You should be. Xx

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