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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Time -- 100 Women of the Year

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lionheart · 07/03/2020 15:01

In case you were wondering.

'What Does It Mean to Be a Woman? It's Complicated.'

time.com/5795626/what-womanhood-means/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=women-of-the-year&utm_term=_&linkId=83711536

'While some people now embrace a rainbow of possibilities between the familiar pink and blue, others hew even tighter to a biological fundamentalism. Those willing to recognize new forms of gender feel anxious about misgendering others, while those who claim superior access to the truth are prepared to impose that truth upon those who disagree. What’s right—even what’s real—in such circumstances is not always self-evident. Labeling others contrary to how they have labeled themselves is an ethically loaded act, but “woman” remains a useful shorthand for the entanglement of femininity and social status regardless of biology—not as an identity, but as the name for an imagined community that honors the female, enacts the feminine and exceeds the limitations of a sexist society.'

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NewNameGuy · 07/03/2020 15:03

Haven't followed the link but I'm guessing 5-10% males?

Babdoc · 07/03/2020 15:10

“Woman” isn’t shorthand for anything except “adult human female”. There- fixed it for them.

AnyOldSpartabix · 07/03/2020 15:13

”woman” remains a useful shorthand for the entanglement of femininity and social status regardless of biology—not as an identity, but as the name for an imagined community that honors the female, enacts the feminine and exceeds the limitations of a sexist society.'

Oh do fuck off, you pathetic arseholes. Yesterday women were ‘formless’, today we’re ‘imagined’.

These people couldn’t be more insulting.

nauticant · 07/03/2020 15:20

This is how it went down on twitter:

twitter.com/TIME/status/1235568120896655360

Note this response:

twitter.com/mar_vickers/status/1236244296434675712

LynnSchmob · 07/03/2020 15:30

Naturally a woman with a penis wrote the article. Presumably there were no women with a vagina who were available that day 🤦‍♀️

So sick of this shit.

Italiangreyhound · 07/03/2020 15:41

'imagined' says it all.

Languishingfemale · 07/03/2020 15:44

So many good responses to that awful article - I thought the first one nailed it:
Woman is never a complicated concept when it comes to who gets rejected in utero, or who gets to own their own body or who gets paid less or who is expected to clean or care, or who gets sacked for pregnancy, or who goes unheard even when they shout

OldCrone · 07/03/2020 15:45

Those willing to recognize new forms of gender feel anxious about misgendering others, while those who claim superior access to the truth are prepared to impose that truth upon those who disagree.

Who is imposing their 'truth' on those who disagree?

“woman” remains a useful shorthand for the entanglement of femininity and social status regardless of biology—not as an identity, but as the name for an imagined community that honors the female, enacts the feminine and exceeds the limitations of a sexist society.'

Says a man who thinks that 'woman' is a costume. Why don't these men entangle their femininity into a new description of what a man can be?

"Woman" is taken.

lionheart · 07/03/2020 15:58

I don't know how the 100 chosen stack up.

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ThisSistineWontScreamAtItself · 07/03/2020 16:20

This response on Twitter sums it up for me.

"Woman is never a complicated concept when it comes to who gets rejected in utero, or who gets to own their own body or who gets paid less or who is expected to clean or care, or who gets sacked for pregnancy, or who goes unheard even when they shout."

Thinkingabout1t · 07/03/2020 19:43

I was going to pull a choice quote out of that word salad, OP, but I couldn't because it's all such gibberish.

I visualise the writer vanishing in a puff of feminine entanglement after being hewn by biological fundamentalism. Or tangled by a fundamental biologist. Or something.

JellySlice · 07/03/2020 20:02

Not just a nitwit, but an illiterate nitwit.

'Hew' means to cut with an axe.

I suspect the author meant 'cleave', which means both to stick close to something and cut in two.

mcduffy · 07/03/2020 20:43

The ratio on this tweet and others this week just shows how little truck (late 80s Smash Hits reference!) the public seem to have with the erosion of women's sex-based rights and language.

Languishingfemale · 07/03/2020 20:49

Hasn't there been a real shift mcduffy with men and women standing up to this intolerant ideology? I read the Times (becuase of their relentless exposing of this issue) and the comments below the line are now filled with men as well as women who completely understand the issues about self identifying men in women's spaces. It's taken a while but the difference is marked - and very pleasing.

mcduffy · 07/03/2020 20:53

Yes, feels like a difference just this year. A little perfect storm. JK Rowling tweeting about maya, labour leadership, women's sports, have all made people a little bit less apathetic. I subscribe to the Times too and their comments are often as good as the articles to cheer me up Grin
I'm "out" as GC in real life and lots of friends, colleagues and DH's mates bring it up with me now and want clarification on what's happening, now that they've seen the madness. I warn them that they can't unsee it!

FloralBinting · 07/03/2020 21:01

I was reading earlier that the covers Time was using to illustrate IWD were ostensibly all women of note, and of course I wasn't surprised to see Marsha P Johnson as one of the names mentioned. Ffs.
Genuinely brave, proud gay man, to be respected, sure. To be listed as a woman on IWD. The homophobia and misogyny is sickening.

TheBewildernessisWeetabix · 07/03/2020 21:35

Say her name! Storme Delaverie!

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