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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans rights and FGM

23 replies

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 07/03/2020 01:24

I've looked and can't find a thread about this.

Two articles, I don't know much about the sources.

www.wyodaily.com/story/2020/03/05/news/transgender-worries-threaten-female-genital-mutilation-ban/10367.html

www.womenarehuman.com/trans-activists-protest-bi-partisan-bill-to-protect-girls-from-barbaric-practice-of-female-genital-mutilation/

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Apollo440 · 07/03/2020 01:36

Just when you think TRAs can't get any worse they find a new depth to plumb. They are women hating scum.

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 07/03/2020 01:42

Why is female breast mutilation not preformed.
Is it because breasts are needed for milk for babies and also men who want to feel virility?

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/jan/28/she-cant-say-no-the-men-who-take-breast-milk-from-babies

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Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 07/03/2020 01:50

You know what Apollo
MNHQ
Barracker

This is why we should say no to pronouns, it matters because they never stop.
It starts with be nice respect the persons pronouns and ends with TRAs objecting to a law against
FGM.

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Thinkingabout1t · 07/03/2020 02:08

The narcissism is almost beyond belief. Women talk of "the lifelong health impacts they have experienced after being forced as children to undergo female genital mutilation". So TRAs complain that FGM "is transgender-exclusionary language, as not all people with vaginas are women, and not all women have vaginas".

So it's fine to rip young girls' vulvas to pieces without anaesthetic, but you mustn't hurt men's feelings.

And the peerless Morgane Oger transplains, to a black woman who has suffered FGM, that it wasn't done because of her sex, "because nobody knows your sex except through how you express it as gender."

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 07/03/2020 02:28

Thinkingabout1t

The bill is talking about surgeries on minors, those under 18. Adolescents, children, babies.

How can anyone argue that this group should be allowed/be subjected to these surgeries because some people feel like they want or have to have it.

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SonEtLumiere · 07/03/2020 04:53

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JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown · 07/03/2020 05:38

That is incredibly low but it doesn't surprise me, sadly.

DidoLamenting · 07/03/2020 05:41

Your ire should be directed towards this pair of idiots

Rep. Sara Burlingame (D-Cheyenne) described the case of a girl born with undescended testes discovered at puberty. The testes were removed. The bill could penalize the doctor in such a case, she argued.

That idiot is too stupid to understand that the Bill contains exemptions for procedures which are medically necessary.

Tara Muir, the policy director for the Wyoming Coalition Against Domestic Violence and Sexual Assault, told WyoFile. “Wyoming can not be the first state with such draconian limits on transgender people,” Muir said

And this one- words fail me. She is obviously as thick as a very short plank.

DidoLamenting · 07/03/2020 05:45

Because of the hefty dose of racism. Black people should be jailed for getting their daughter’s genitals amputated, white parents are lauded as selfless and brave

That is a rather illogical leap to make. The article acknowledged there was an extreme white Christian sect who used FGM and you are assuming only white children are trans.

DidoLamenting · 07/03/2020 06:10

Sara Burlingame is very active on LGBTQ issues.

I see her twitter account is protected which I always think is pathetic and suspicious in an elected politician.

mobile.twitter.com/crazywomancreek

techjobstour.com/speakers/sara-burlingame/

She describes herself as proud to identify both as a scrappy trailer park kid and as a queer, cisgender woman

SonEtLumiere · 07/03/2020 07:49

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ThinEndoftheWedge · 07/03/2020 08:10

*Because of the hefty dose of racism. Black people should be jailed for getting their daughter’s genitals amputated, white parents are lauded as selfless and brave

That is a rather illogical leap to make.*

Sounds eminently logical to me. The CEO of Mermaids is lauded and feted by the establishment.

Babdoc · 07/03/2020 08:43

If anyone ever doubted that TRAs were out and out narcissists, this should finally nail it. Trying to make the savage mutilation of little girls “all about me” is beyond despicable.

Danceswithwarthogs · 07/03/2020 08:51

What Babdoc just said

Danceswithwarthogs · 07/03/2020 09:19

Deeply cruel and mysogynistic to imply that vulnerable children suffering oppressive cultural practices, sex based violence or exploitation have any choice to self identify out of their ‘socially constructed gender’ to escape all the things they suffer based on their immovable biological sex... Any more than they can identify as a bird and fly away.

TreestumpsAndTrampolines · 07/03/2020 09:30

Shows all this talk of the 'most vulnerable in our society' is blatant manipulation.

First we protect the most vulnerable, then we'll move onto people who are privileged enough to be able to fixate on their gender, because their sex and culture confers the privilege to not be subject to FGM.

koshkatt · 07/03/2020 09:36

Speechless at this. WTAF is WRONG with these people?

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 07/03/2020 10:24

It's shameful.
I've seen some TRAs on twitter likening access to abortion to access puperty blockers for children and teenagers.
As in, if people don't agree with the use of blockers for children they are the same as anti abortion groups.So following that logic if you are pro choice, you should agree with blockers and agree with surgeries for adolescents.

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FloralBinting · 07/03/2020 10:42

It's really not a leap to suggest that TRA arguments are steeped in racism. These are the people who base their claims on arguments like 'transwomen are women, in the same way that black women are women', which in case the obfuscation of terms means you don't get the force of how racist that is, black women have dealt with being told they look like blokes by racists for a long time, and TRAs basically put them squarely in the same group as males who want to be female.

Is it really a point of dispute that FGM is prevalent in cultures that are not predominantly white western? And yet the TRAs are openly lauding those privileged westerners who have had these gender motivated surgeries performed, and in the case of Mermaids' Susie Green, actively campaigning to lower the age when these interventions are performed.

It would be nice if these things were ridiculous, unthinkable, leaping to wild conclusions, but terrifyingly, it's not. There are actually people, who consider themselves good, arguing against FGM legislation because they want some children to undergo it because of their cultural reasons, even while they say other children shouldn't because those other cultural beliefs are barbaric.

PaleBlueMoonlight · 07/03/2020 10:48

So, let me get this right, there is a campaign to abandon a bill which rules out all genital surgery for under 18s (except in the case of medical need) because they want to retain the option of performing "sex change" operations on under 18 year old girls?

Antibles · 07/03/2020 11:04

Speechless at this. WTAF is WRONG with these people?

Me too. Despicable and shows there is no point at which they will stop to appropriate the identity of 'woman'.

What is wrong with them is: a toxic combination of misogyny, desire to normalise a sexual fetish, and - in a significant number of cases imo - narcissism/sociopathy.

Because they genuinely lack the ordinary human emotions of empathy, shame, guilt and conscience, sociopaths live to manipulate and control others and they feed off the distress and anxiety they cause because it's evidence of their powers. 1/100 people are thought to be wired this way, which adds up to an awful lot of people out there perennially looking for ways to wind others up. And trans has been such a juicy new way of gaslighting and messing with people.

Michelleoftheresistance · 07/03/2020 11:59

And the peerless Morgane Oger transplains, to a black woman who has suffered FGM, that it wasn't done because of her sex, "because nobody knows your sex except through how you express it as gender."

My main response to this would be 'don't be so bloody stupid'.

It's not worth engaging with someone with this much crazy, you might as well try arguing someone out of a belief in the fairies at the bottom of their garden. Real life is going to work around them.

What is wrong with these people?

A lot. That's a root issue here. The pathology is Writ Large. And I don't mean 'trans people' because people such as this are not arguing for or on behalf of trans people in the way they make it sound; that is merely a trojan horse to give validity. They are arguing solely for themselves and their own highly distorted beliefs. As seen by how viciously they will attack a trans person who dares to voice dissent out loud or say 'you don't speak for me'.

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