R4 Today - Rugby gets it

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Rugby Nut Justin talking to the guy from World Rugby and it's clear they have thrown Harper's back of an envelope 'study' in the bin. Expect new rules in the next few months.

The RFU are absolutely brilliant in the event of catastrophic injury. I would be reluctant to suggest arse covering, they really do care about their players and want to keep them safe. Hence they are actually acting, albeit slowly, on this.

Haven't done referees refused to officiate on safety grounds?

*some

What? Women have to accept males playing women’s rugby, if those males identify as women. Despite the risk to us.
But ..... if a woman identifies as a man, she keeps on playing women’s rugby? Why? Because .. ...she’d get the shit kicked out of her in the men’s, because biology is real.
So how do the TRAs square this with the claim there’s no biological difference between men and women for rugby purposes?
Basically, it’s just about third rate men being able to do well in women’s sport, isn’t it? They know perfectly well the huge advantage of a male body in contact sport.

Fucking hold on.
If trans women are women, then trans men are men.
You can’t have it both ways.
If trans men are men then trans men should play with men. And if not then why not? (I think we all know why but then if that is admitted the whole house of cards falls down).

The doping aspect incidently was carefully stepped around.

Wasn’t it!

I was thinking about this last night. In both cricket and (some?) running, don't know about other sports, the men's category is the open category, so the sport is fully-inclusive. Female athletes are the protected category, similar to age group athletics and cricket. But yet here, in the rugby example (and obviously in cricket and athletic examples we've seen), the female sport has (unwillingly) become the open competition

From the link above about Shawn Gatewood, apart from "Due to my religious upbringing, both of my parents being pastors, I delayed coming to terms with my transition." one thing that leapt out at me was:

"Last year [ie 2017], there were over 28 trans people murdered in the United States."

The total population of the US in 2017 was 325 million. Since it's estimated that 0.6% of US adults identify as transgender, this suggests about 2 million trans people in the US. Murder deaths are often expressed as the number per 100,000 of the population. So that's a murder rate of trans people in the US of 1.4 per 100,000.

In 2017, the murder rate of the population generally in the US was 5.3 per 100,000.

From this it seems that in the US the risk of murder faced by trans people is roughly (slightly over) a quarter of the risk faced by the general population. As I've written before, I wonder whether one contribution to this difference is that trans people are more likely to have a more elevated socia-economic status than the overall population.

Have World Rugby decided the outcome from their conference yet?

They haven't tweeted it yet but here's the video synopsis from the meeting.
I still can't believe this is even debated!

twitter.com/WorldRugby/status/1233422721545056256

Phew.

The irony of some on that twitter thread demanding that trans women are consulted about playing in women's rugby
We all must have missed the memo about consulting women before hading over women's sport to mediocre men.

The player on Radio 4 'only wants to play the sport she loves' - but there is a point here. I would love to play tennis at a high level but unfortunately I am pretty crap. You might love playing a sport but are too crap to get picked for the team. So you give up the sport you love and spectate instead. But low and behold there is a way for men to continue playing the sport they 'love' and get picked for the team. Play in women's sport.

But low and behold there is a way for men to continue playing the sport they 'love' and get picked for the team

Absolutely. And fuck the women they might seriously injure in the process, who cares about women having the right to safely play the sport they love?

The irony of some on that twitter thread demanding that trans women are consulted about playing in women's rugby

It's times like this when the MRA side of genderism is really clear.

How very dare women be allowed to have an opinion on something without consulting the males who clearly know best about the situation...

Someone told me this was due to the risk of insurance claims. Not concern over women's well being or fairness but the risk of women players suing for serious injury.

Wouldn't surprise me. That would obviously be disappointing in one way, but in another it might actually be better than a moral argument about the welfare of women. Because in the world we live in, the bottom line is always going to be the strongest card to be played. Lots of us on here have predicted that when this whole thing starts collapsing is when it starts to become more expensive than actual sex segregation.

The slides/presentations and agenda from the WRU conference on trans inclusion in rugny is out. It's an interesting read. Lots of science and facts and just one presentation based on why can't you be nice nad let us play.

playerwelfare.worldrugby.org/?subsection=84&fbclid=IwAR2rIAmzQ1pnpRsbB6BwQirZCvwDWWKailLNsu29GjbRsz3VEQFdYlYdBpI

Beautifully put Daffs.

Yes, its all so unclear isn't it. If only there was some kind of authoritative statement or legislation that would clear it all up once and for all.
Something in The Equality Act for example.
www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/195

Or something in the Gender Recognition Act.
www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/7/section/19

Just looked at a few presentations. Seems that sense and science is beginning to get a hearing. About time.

Yes I particularly likes the presentation from the OU who quotes the law as it stands.