Transgender brains are more like their desired gender.

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www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/05/180524112351.htm

Just wondering what people think about this? (I know it's a relatively old article, but I just wanted opinions)

I can identify (bleurgh) with all of that, SomeDyke - though as I'm not lesbian, I think it's down to Asperger's.

Dammit, then we're essentially saying that minus the social-norm-reinforcement, (a lot of) boy stuff is often more fun than (a lot of) girl stuff.

And then I wonder if there's any point complaining when 'gender neutral' gets taken to mean 'default to male', and I combust in a cloud of incoherence all over again.

"Gender specific activity" sounds to me like they're measuring sexual response, in which case what they have detected is that some adolescents are gay.

What about the brains of women who’ve not spent years practising labour-intensive femininity but who don’t think they’re blokes?

[offers brain to science]

Brilliant explanation CharlieParley . I can visualise that from your explanation much more easily than I can extract it from the article.

There is also something else to consider: data fishing. You take enough different measurements and by chance some will be different, these differences would not be replicated in a different sample population, and would disappear if you increased sample size. It is just a random affect,

Not read the whole thread so sorry if I’m repeating someone else but regardless of differences, there is no evidence that physical differences have an impact on personality traits so it proves nothing.

If there really is such a thing as "gender identity" it has to be in a localized brain area. There should be patients who suffer brain damage who wake up suddenly believing they're the other gender. We should be able to study these people and determine where the region is located. There are clinical cases of every mental precept the brain holds but I've yet to hear of a case like this--and I searched the literature.

No matter how many times they are debunked the zombie lies never die.

Glad it helped, TheInebriati. I was trying to make sense of the claims by looking at the maths, and once I thought of the data like that, I could.

And excellent question,SetYourselfOnFire. I shall remember that.

So, no brain damaged patients with sudden gender dysphoria. Conversely, we do have emerging evidence that dementia patients who had medically transitioned can get very upset at finding themselves so altered. Which suggests something other than an innate gender identity, independent of one's body, is at the root of gender dysphoria.

This is an interesting field for me, since my gran had brain damage (caused by reckless tomboyish behaviour when she was 17 or 18) which was localised in a particular area of the brain that was later found to affect certain personality traits. Personality traits she had, and which made her markedly different from the rest of the family, but of course back then they had no idea why. She had no cognitive or physical impairments afterwards, so they never really connected the two.

It's a complete red herring.

Brain patterns are irrelevant. It's about genetics and physiology.

A few brain patterns are not what makes you male or female. If you are of the sex class that produces the sperm cells you are male.

The fact I even have to type the above means that one side of this debate is arguing in bad faith and their agenda is not about defending truth as they see it, but about the twisting of truth to execute a power grab. Everyone knows what makes someone male or female.

Lots of money must be getting channeled in to funding research which finds scientific 'explanations' for transgenderism. It is the weak link - and everyone knows it.

If there really is such a thing as "gender identity

There isn't.......and nobody really had one at all before the 1980's ( & the vast majority don't now, either).......before then crippling dysphoria was classified as a mental health issue. Body/mind integration has always been the goal of most therapies.

Suppose for a moment it was shown that there is a male brain, then it may well turn out that I have such a male brain.( I like sci fi, and have a vivid and lively imagination)

Can I state that should this happen I would be beyond unhappy to have to get changed in the gents. Because the abuse I have suffered has nothing to do with my brain and everything to do with my body, which is ( to my unending disappointment) clearly female

Ambiguity..sorry....The sci fi comment was related to me being able to imag8ne that it is possible to have a male brain, not an indication of a male brain ( because that would be silly'