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Car Crash at the Labour Party Womens Network Leadership hustings

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DJLippy · 05/03/2020 18:29

Have any of you seen footage of the Labour Party Hustings last night? Leadership candidates yet again ignoring women's concerns delivering tone death answers yet again! Footage here along with a transcript should anybody we so interested
makemorenoisemanc.wixsite.com/mysite/post/labour-loosing-women-at-the-labour-party-women-s-network-hustings

In summary

'It is deeply frustrating that we seem to think that when we're talking about women's rights and women's safety that this is only an issue for women.' Lisa Nandy the gift that keeps on giving.

'The good thing about this leadership campaign is that we all agree with what one another say.' Rebecca Long Bailey is definitely not stuck in an echo chamber and has a thorough understanding of how democracy works...

The chair seemed to have a similar understanding warning women who tried to speak that 'If you cannot sit quietly I will ask you to leave.'

Kier Starmer criticised the tone of the debate and said we should all dial it down a bit. Tbh by that point he'd bored us to death so maybe he should be leader...One way to heal Labours divisions eh?

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Thelnebriati · 05/03/2020 18:35

''Losing''
sorry. (not sorry).

theflushedzebra · 05/03/2020 19:00

I want to make "leadership hustings bingo card".

  • Political Football...
  • Trans community have been abused and vilified...
  • The GRA is a good start but doesn't go far enough
  • I worked at CentrePoint...
  • Pitted against one another
  • I've got a young trans person in my constituency
  • Suicide rates
  • TWAW and TMAM
  • It's like the 80s
  • Dehumanising process

Every single Hustings would be "House".

Angryresister · 05/03/2020 19:05

Yes I was filling in that bingo card too. so depressing to hear this regurgitation all over again.

Chiochan · 05/03/2020 19:21

You'd think they'd had enough of making tits of themselvs.

Labour is pritty much a joke right now, as I life long leftist frankly the left is dead.
I really cant see how it can come back. Mainly because they dont want to.
I see revolution coming, but not from the left. Which I would say is truely tragic except the left has shown itself to have about as much moral integrity as the catholic church.

Qcng · 05/03/2020 19:24

Every single answer was straight from an echo chamber.
They don't listen. They refuse to listen.

thecompletenonsequitur · 05/03/2020 19:37

I wish some Labour Party members would break away and form a new party. They could call it 'Old Labour'.

Chiochan · 05/03/2020 19:38

All the answers were an insulting word salad of nonsensical self promotion and just utter rubbish.
It was an insult to the electorate.
If it had been about traffic calming measures it would have been an insult as an answer.
They must really think people are stupid.
Well I guess that explains why noone wants to vote Labour.

ClitoriaTernatea · 05/03/2020 19:51

Bloody hell.

2 leadership candidates who don't know the Equality Act is called the Equality Act (not Equalities Act FFS)

1 candidate who clearly has no clue what the GRA actually is and does.

And all 3 turned a question about women into answers about trans.

JFC.

And they wonder why we are pissed off.

pombear · 05/03/2020 19:58

I'm tempted to do a transcript so we have it here and elsewhere for posterity. (And so ROwantrees , our epic archiver has more to link to!)

But on the other hand, I'm so fucked off with this batshittery I'm not sure I have the energy to document it!

pombear · 05/03/2020 20:01

Ah - transcript already done by the amazing Make More Noise group. Will breathe and read-along! I love all our transcripters, here and elsewhere - despite our challengers calling it 'typing in' - this is documenting history. Smile

BacklashStarts · 05/03/2020 20:03

Jesus! These fuckers should listen to some of the speakers from the IWD debates and cop on to themselves.

Why are the competing to impress no nothing gender dickheads on Twitter? Spoiler: you can never please those people as they don’t actually give a fuck.

endofthelinefinally · 05/03/2020 20:05

Sadly, stupidity is rife.

Mockerswithnoknockers · 05/03/2020 20:08

They are all absolutely useless.

There are still good people in Labour who would make better leaders than this lot: Margaret Beckett, Yvette Cooper, Alan Johnston, David Miliband, hell even Ed Miliband.

It's the political second law of thermodynamics. Labour is slowly disintegrating into a primordial soup of incoherent virtue-signalling babble.

It wouldn't be so bad if there was a Liberal Democrat Party, but they're even farther down the line. Charles Kennedy was the last good 'un they had.

Qcng · 05/03/2020 20:11

Yvette Cooper nooooo! God no.

koshkatt · 05/03/2020 20:13

Fucking hell, what a trio of quarter wits they are. I have no words for how disgraceful and shocking they are. Is that the best that the LP can offer us?

Well they can get to fuck.

koshkatt · 05/03/2020 20:15

How can that fool Lisa Nandy talk about safe spaces for women and then in the very next breath say that TWAW? WTAF?

tobee · 05/03/2020 20:15

I disagree that the Labour Party has to be like this. There is no logic to that imo. This is about Liberal policies and not socialist.

However, the Labour Party has been poisoned by the identity politics of the Corbyn era. They have convinced themselves that "purity" is important than being even beginning to stand a chance of being elected. There are still plenty of traditional Labour Party members who are being ignored by the leadership. Turning away, maybe never to come back.

tobee · 05/03/2020 20:17

Sadly, stupidity is rife

Where listening to twitter as your compass is concerned it's a fatal combination of laziness and stupidity

koshkatt · 05/03/2020 20:18

The Chair is shocking also.

Bloody hell this has really pissed me off.

tobee · 05/03/2020 20:21

I can't believe Lisa Nandy actually said that about women's rights are not only an issue for women. Although, in this upside world, more fool me.

donquixotedelamancha · 05/03/2020 20:22

Tbh by that point he'd bored us to death so maybe he should be leader.

At least most of his answer was about women (even if he didn't answer the bloody questions). Christ we are scraping the barrel when that 'answer' was the best one.

LN talked about women for about 30% of her answer and RLB spent the entire slot talking aboout trans rights.

The question didn't fucking mention trans people.

P.S. There was a question on another thread about inspirational women. My goodness the hard work of DJlippy on this issue is to be admired.

TheRealMcKenna · 05/03/2020 20:32

Keir’s speech was a rehash of what he said on Andrew Neil last night. We’ve all heard Lisa Nandy and the terrible tale of the trans child in her constituency a million times. As for RLB..... she still thinks the country can’t wait for another dose of Corbynism.

They are such a gift to the Tories.

koshkatt · 05/03/2020 20:36

Yep. Boris and Dom must be delighted.

Oblomov20 · 05/03/2020 20:36

rebecca

Rebecca Long Bailey,

Rebecca Long-Bailey was forced to defend working on PFI deals within the NHS.
Before becoming an MP, Ms Long-Bailey worked on a team which reportedly drew up deals that saw £190m worth of NHS property handed to investment companies based in Luxembourg.

Asked how this fit in with her claim to have always wanted to “defend the NHS”, she said that when she was a corporate lawyer, she had to work on PFI contracts because they were “the only game in town.”
She told the BBC’s Andrew Neil: “In terms of those PFI contracts, if you were granting a lease to a GP, a pharmacy or any other local community organisation, any new hospital was comprised of a PFI deal.
“So all of the leases out of that for 30 years, Andrew, were subject to those PFI terms - insidious PFI terms - that meant they were paying far above market value for their services.”

Andrew Neil ripped her to shreds. She was truely awful. How anyone could vote for her I have no idea.

Goosefoot · 05/03/2020 20:37

They have convinced themselves that "purity" is important than being even beginning to stand a chance of being elected.

I think the difficulty here is that they don't see it as purity. I imagine many would be willing to politically compromise on many issues.

But the narrative around this has placed certain ideas into the camp of "things you would never accept no matter what the political consequences". And to be fair I think we all have these. I doubt many of us would accept a political figure or party willing to compromise with a public bent on re-introducing slavery, or removing women as legal persons. Even f it means losing an election we'd expect them to stand firm on that stuff.

That's been the trick, to get people to see anything except a very narrow idea of trans rights as that level of moral and ethical failure. We all had someone tell us as kids that the majority could be deeply wrong and we should stand against that wrongness anyway. These supposed leaders see themselves doing that, rather than seeing the public disagreement as a sign that the issue is more complicated than they realise or wondering if they themselves might be missing something.