Posie Parker on Julia Hartley-Brewer Show

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If you are just trying to understand why Women are talking so much about having their voices 'shut down', working to hold on to their already established rights and why there is so much media about this lately, I thought that this might be an interesting video resource that JHB published today.

I hope that more and more discussions like this can be published so that constructive debates can be had on all fronts. Sadly, if the ideology continues that anyone who does not agree that transwomen are women in all meanings of the word is transphobic, those debates will not happen.

If this link has already been posted, I will get this one deleted.

Also posted the link in Break it down thread.

Thanks OP

Thank you. I’ll have a look at that later.

thank you

They take no prisoners ! A very direct and non self censored interview. They say nothing that we haven’t read already, for some of Julia’s wider audience this will be an important and eye opening interview.

That’s what I thought too RubyViolet. Not anything knew for long time lurkers to this thread, but a good round up of issues for anyone who is just beginning to think about why the discussion seems so disjointed and never seems to adequately covered as it seems so big.

They should do another one, going further into institutional capture and what is happening in schools. That topic will really open peoples eyes.

Yes. They really should!

Do you think that was filmed the same day as the Harry Miller verdict? Just judging by this presumably being filmed in London and Posie’s top/lipstick/hair.

Really strong and clear interview by a journalist who has educated herself.

Not sure DryHeave. I thought, but could be wrong, that they mentioned the weightlifter. That was last week wasn’t it?

Bininterested

I thought it was powerful in that Julia admitted that she had changed her thoughts on this and why.

Yes and I thought the other day that the traffic is all one way. I used to be mildly puzzled but accepting of the ‘born in the wrong body’ agenda and then something happened to make me question it a bit more and things suddenly fell into place. Once you’ve seen it you can’t unsee it.

I haven’t heard of anyone starting out gender critical and becoming an advocate for the ‘born in the wrong body’ agenda.

It is indeed helpful when people share the ideas they used to have. No one should feel foolish for being duped - we probably all thought there must be something in it at some point.

That’s a great interview. I do like JHB.

Very interesting and agree with most of it.

All except the Munchosen bit, it's not that. For most parents of trans kids I don't think they take any pleasure in the whole medicalised thing. They just desperately want to keep their kids safe and are trying to work out the best way to do it. Anecdotally, I think lots of parents of trans identifying children are not able to facilitate drugs, hormones or surgery etc, even if they wanted to. So lots of trans identifying children are not taking hormones or having surgery.

I do agree that many boys do actively want to be girls where as some girls do not necessarily want to be boys (especially initially) but simply do not want to be women. Again, anecdotally.

Whereas I DO agree with the 'Munchausen's bit Italian; not in all cases, but certainly in many of the cases in the press where people celebrate their 'trans child'. They get a lot of attention for it and people do fawn over them.
I have seen it with an acquaintance of mine. Ordinary mum, now 'stunning and brave' special mum of a 'trans child'.

Great to hear Posie mentioning trans widows. She really gets it.

Definitely worth watching, initially I dd think that JHB spoke over Posie, but I realised that she was quite clearly setting out the whole absurdity of this men's rights attack on women.
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I think that is the joy of a one to one interview on independent media. There was time to cover a lot of ground and not be spoken over because of egos or time constraints to get the most important points across of course.

It was great to hear them roll through the points, and yes, to highlight the effects of the family.

I have to admit that I went a little cool on Posie when she fell out with some of feminist academics but am so pleased I gave her another go. Both her and JHB are brilliant and set everything out so clearly.

I haven’t heard of anyone starting out gender critical and becoming an advocate for the ‘born in the wrong body’ agenda

People do occasionally claim to be examples of this, but when their stories are examined, they never move from a point of education or being convinced by compelling facts, the decision to shift away from accepting biological reality is firmly based in their desire or felt pressure to he nice and kind.

As Magdalen Berns has it "I'd rather be rude than a liar", these people would rather lie than be rude.

MrsSnippyPants I have to disagree with you there, unless you know for a fact the mum, who is your acquaintance, has Munchausen.

I think what Posy was alluding to was Munchausen syndrome by proxy, or rather Fabricated or induced illness.

Do you know she has this?

My understanding is this is "...a mental health problem in which a caregiver makes up or causes an illness or injury in a person under his or her care, such as a child..."

www.uofmhealth.org/health-library/hw180537

The fact she may be known as stunning and brave by her friends doesn't mean she is supporting her trans child because she has a mental illness, or making up a medical condition for her child.

This would mean the child was not trans identifying and the parent somehow made them so or made it up.

I am sure in a very few cases this 'could' happen but not so many for this to be a definition of how it works.

Your acquaintance is probably, as you say, an 'ordinary mum' but she is dealing with something incredibly difficult. Unless you are dealing with it too, you just don't know how hard it is.

I think it's lazy of Posy to attribute this to Munchausen syndrome by proxy or Fabricated or induced illness - it doesn't help to explain why so many young people are currently trans identifying and it just looks like she doesn't know what she is talking about.

I quite like Posy but she doesn't necessarily take a rational view to things and this sort of thing just doesn't help IMHO.

Yay,,finally had time to watch it. Fabulous sunshine.

There was a disturbing comment under the video from a person who said their husband is a teacher and was at the urinal (maybe no separate staff loos) when a female student walked in as they identified as a male.

The teachers get an updated list each week on which students have changed pronouns. Some students change back and forth at times.

If this is true, what a terrible situation.

Wow JHB seems to know it all! She's obviously looked at this a lot.