Fucking hell! Detransitioning on bbc1 news now

[Binglebong]

The girl sueing Tavistock is in an article being covered now.

The web version of the item. www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-51676020

I saw that too OP. This is going to be interesting to watch.

Yup - mainstream news on the BBC .
Bloody hell - we really are having the debate

I have such respect for Keira Bell, bringing all this sunlight and fresh air to the whole thing via her JR. Thank you for all you are doing Keira!

I saw this then they had a very wishy washy interview with the head of mermaids rubbishing this poor woman and her experience and trotting out the same bs about self harm and suicide.
My favourite quote of hers was "When are we going to stop calling giving puberty blockers experimental treatment, when we have 50 year olds?"
My thoughts are yes

She’s not suing anyone! Pls be careful with language. It’s a judicial review to examine if medical treatment to halt physically healthy children’s puberty is lawful or not.

Great that the JR is getting coverage - as long as it’s accurate!

I watched this and thought is was quite balanced and then ... they went and gave Mermaids the last word. In doing that they should have had someone from one of the groups raising the issue.

Totally, totally wrong - its like all news outlets when it is about trans any sense of balanced reporting goes out of the window.

See www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51676020?intlink_from_url=&link_location=live-reporting-story

PS Have not heard Keira speak before and was very impressed.

I think they added the mermaids quote to the BBC article after they put it up on the news website

The most telling part, for me at least, is how she doesn't feel she could actually tell her 16-year-old self anything at all. Because she knows full well that at 16, she wouldn't have listened.

It shows not that they don't know their own mind, they certainly do, but that that mind changes with time, experience and realisation.

Something that anyone who has any kind of self analysis knows only too well.

Sorry, my mistake about sueing.

It was on the evening news too.

Every time I see Polly Carmichael (head of GIDS at Tavi), my unease grows even stronger.

She seems to now be carefully laying a trail that her (and her team's) hands were completely tied, they couldn't do anything except prescribe these powerful drugs.

She seems to be saying "not my fault, blame the patients, not me" (reminder: those patients are children who looked to her for adult guidance)

I think she knows her head is being placed in the guillotine and is now bargaining for herself.

She seems to be saying "not my fault, blame the patients, not me" (reminder: those patients are children who looked to her for adult guidance)

The standard excuse. I remember doctors saying that they had to give unnecessary antibiotics because the patients insisted on it. At the time I was swapping and changing doctors and couldn't find any that wasn't cavalier in their prescription practices

I am very reminded of a comment from Rowan putting me straight that the vast majority of trans people just needed a shed load of talking therapy rather than Chemistry
and thinking more about the person I know
Rowan is right
and is utterly vindicated by this article
www.theguardian.com/books/2020/mar/01/jan-morris-thinking-again-interview-youre-talking-to-someone-at-the-very-end-of-things

Why do they need to show ‘the other side of...’. This is all we hear - let the Detransitioners speak For a change.

Credit to TwistedDoodles, it always makes me think of this. 🤬

reminder: those patients are children who looked to her for adult guidance

To be fair in cases of younger children / those who socially transitioned at a young age it is likely to be the parents who are the driving force. How does that work with consent?

They don’t mention the % if kids with autism or who have had childhood trauma. Just the ‘better a son than a suicide’ comment.

To be fair in cases of younger children / those who socially transitioned at a young age it is likely to be the parents who are the driving force. How does that work with consent?

Well yes, I agree the parents are the driving force, but every child has it instilled in them that the Doctor/Police Officer/Teacher etc knows best and is a safe person to contact for help.

So even if that child has doubts, to hear the DOCTOR say your parents are right, renders them utterly defenceless. How can they then speak up to say they want something different.

P Carmichael and co should have been the ones taking those children into a private space and saying "it's ok. If you aren't sure about this for any reason at all, I am a doctor and I can put a stop to it right now"

(in a not entirely dissimilar way that young girls at risk of forced marriage are being given teaspoons in school and told to put it in their underwear before security scanners, so airport authorities have a legitimate reason to remove the girl from her parents and give her a safe space to ask for help)

Threads:

Fucking hell! Detransitioning on bbc1 news now
http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3836523-Fucking-hell-Detransitioning-on-bbc1-news-now

Sky News changes its coverage following lobbying by Mermaids
http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3836520-Sky-News-changes-its-coverage-following-lobbying-by-Mermaids

Bollocks, wrong thread, though Sky one is relevant!

It also was on channel 4 news with a transitioning transboy and his family. And Dr Carmichael who took the tone of ‘bring it on’, our methods are robust and detransitions are very small numbers.

What disturbed me the most was that the mother finished up saying ‘better a child on blockers than a dead one’. Straight out of the play book.

That line demonstrates the hyperbole, the drama and the negligence involved.

If a child is seriously so distressed that if they are not given precisely what they want right now they will harm themselves, there is a whole raft of measures that can be taken and should be taken. To not to do so is negligent. The whole point is that there are many other strategies available: it is the political lobby who insist that those other strategies must never be applied or offered for political reasons.

The danger rate for children with anorexia is higher: no one is afraid to say no to a political lobby in their case however, and medics are free to prioritise the child, including accepting that children with this condition will initially and possibly long term be extremely hostile to treatment.

Remember this - 10:40 - studies with puberty blockers on sheep show worrying results -