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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Young gay man tweets he doesn't think LGBT works - and doesn't get a pile on

26 replies

WomanBornNotWorn · 29/02/2020 13:42

Jack Christy @JackChristy93 has tweeted a polite, careful comment followed by polite, careful agreeing replies. Is ... Is something happening?

mobile.twitter.com/JackChristy93/status/1233497726400258050

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WomanBornNotWorn · 29/02/2020 13:42

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Siameasy · 29/02/2020 13:49

He makes some good points - anecdotally the gender extremists are really putting people off.

Polynerd · 29/02/2020 13:50

I noticed this. Wanted to say to him to create a faux lesbian alter ego, say the same thing and see what happens.

AnotherEmma · 29/02/2020 13:50

"Is something happening?"

Yes, the usual sexist double standards.
Man says something, fine.
Woman says the same thing, she is subjected to threats and abuse.

Lordfrontpaw · 29/02/2020 13:52

Could be a woman tweeting as a man... it’s happened before!

ArranUpsideDown · 29/02/2020 13:53

I don't see a pile-on.

I do see repeated comments that re-write history:

It should also be noted that trans people are the reason you have the rights you have today so I would suggest respecting your history and the rights you are lucky enough to have

Kit19 · 29/02/2020 13:57

He has had someone tell him the correct wording is literally the difference between life & death for trans ppl 🙄 🤦🏻‍♀️

But yes it’s heartening to see so many ppl saying they agree especially a lot of LGB ppl

Kit19 · 29/02/2020 13:58

Also the nos of ppl saying how biological women have been damaged by it too

Lordfrontpaw · 29/02/2020 14:00

Oh the transivication of LGB (and world) history. That is not going down well on twitter.

transdimensional · 29/02/2020 14:50

I wonder if younger people are aware that the T hasn't always been part of it. I remember as late as the late 90s, my uni's LGB society was called LesBiGay, which doesn't even have the constituent parts in today's order, let alone include a T.

Today the entirety of lesbian and gay history is getting retrospectively relabelled LGBT.

I was interested in the claim that the T was instrumental in the modern movement in the form of Marsha Johnson and Sylvia Rivera. However, it appears that although dubbed "trans women" by modern activists, it is unclear that either of these drag queens regarded themselves as female, let alone unambiguously and indisputably so. They described themselves as gay and as transvestites. I am not sure there is any evidence that either of them believed that "TWAW" or that they advocated that things like self-ID should be non-negotiable articles of faith.

FromTheEarth · 29/02/2020 15:09

I wonder if younger people are aware that the T hasn't always been part of it.

No, they're not. My son (21) believed that the T were a key players in the Stonewall riots. He didn't believe that the T had only been added on in Feb 2015 until I proved otherwise.

They haven't got a clue.

Lordfrontpaw · 29/02/2020 15:40

Ask him to look up Fred Sargeant (‘gay activists and stonewall vet’) on twitter (thanks to the Mumsnetter who put me onto him). He is holding no truck with the transivication of gay rights and history.

Cwenthryth · 29/02/2020 15:52

I saw Jack’s thread earlier. Also, a similar one by a female musician called Nehanda twitter.com/nehandamusic/status/1233389161006206977?s=21
Masses of support.

It’s always going to be two steps forward and one and a half steps back but things are changing. There is strength in numbers.

Bezalelle · 29/02/2020 16:08

I was the LGB rep at my uni in 2001. The 'T' must have been added after that.

ThePurported · 29/02/2020 16:26

As soon as Stonewall adopted the T and handed over its resources to TRAs, they set about campaigning against women's sex-based rights and rewriting LGB history.

The true history of the trans movement in the UK is actually quite interesting:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3756530-Beaumont-Society

"Virginia Prince / Phi Pi Epsilon > Beaumont Society > Press For Change --> GIRES

Sex shops to puberty blockers in a hop, skip and a jump."

FromTheEarth · 29/02/2020 16:29

Ask him to look up Fred Sargeant (‘gay activists and stonewall vet’) on twitter (thanks to the Mumsnetter who put me onto him). He is holding no truck with the transivication of gay rights and history.

Have done so now. Thanks.

EverardDigby · 29/02/2020 16:33

I was the LGB rep at my uni in 2001. The 'T' must have been added after that.

In the late 80s it didn't even include the B.

FingonTheValiant · 29/02/2020 16:42

I did 2003-2007, definitely LGB at the beginning, but I can't remember now if it had changed by end... I went to the freshers week social in my first year and there were only three of us 😔 (college level, rather than university wide)

ListeningQuietly · 29/02/2020 17:04

When I was at Uni there was only Gaysoc that only grudgingly accepted Lesbians.
The blokes in dresses were generally drunk rugby players.
gimmer

BobbinThreadbare123 · 29/02/2020 18:39

When I was at Uni there was only Gaysoc that only grudgingly accepted Lesbians

Same - not that long ago, either. I was at uni for quite a span of years (UG and PG degees) and it didn't change over that entire time!
Jack is polite, clear and writes very well. He also looks pretty young; maybe it'll get some of the wokesters thinking for a change.

Lamahaha · 01/03/2020 10:00

Somehow, when a man speaks up, people (women) find their courage.
Something similar is happening on Facebook.
There is an American guy there called Matt Insley who went public on 11th February with this post:

I might as well come out as a, "TERF," so the unfriending can begin.

Trans women are valid.
But, they do not have the lived experience of biological women.

They are different.
Science says so.
Woke science doesn't matter.

Furthermore, most people feel dysphoric in their bodies during puberty. It's normal. It's also not the time to make a choice to block puberty or inject hormones.

No puberty blockers for underage children.
If you're a parent that is so so desirous to be woke to the point that you'll allow a 14 year old to make such a choice, and coddle it, it is child abuse. There needs to be a law to stop you from mutilating a child who isn't old enough to make such a serious decision.
There are plenty of ex-trans stories to support that this is abuse.

Receipts to follow.

Biological women are finally standing up to their erasure by the trans extremist movement.

Trans women: you are trans women. You're a subset of the male gender, because you produce male gametes during your life. Your lungs are bigger. Your heart is bigger.
Hormone therapy doesn't change this.
You are, by your gender identity, a woman.
Biologically, you're a man.
We respect your choice to treat your dysphoria/dysmophia, but we do not have to reject science and accept you as biologically the gender you identify with.

Biologically, you are still more man than woman.

This doesn't cancel you out.
But, it doesn't mean you can hop on to the struggles of biological women, many of which are canceled out by your agenda.

You are not biological women.

I stand with JK. I stand with Graham.

I'd stand with every biological woman asking for their spaces back, that their stories belong to them again, and that want their identities understood as a separate entity to trans women.

Cue fireworks.

Yes, I know we women have been saying this exact thing for eons. But not publicly, and that's the problem. Somehow, when a man says it publicly, it can go viral. We've seen in again and again.

The response has been extraordinary, with over 500 likes on the original post, and a multitude of shares by women who previously were too scared to come out. That's how I first saw his post.

Yesterday, he wrote this:

After 30 shares and nearly 250 comments that are mostly from women who feel oppressed by this agenda, getting dozens of messages from scared women, being thanked by more women than have ridiculed me, I've realized that it's wonderful seeing people who are becoming proud to say what they feel, despite a tiny sliver of narcissistic folks who try and suppress them with threats of ruining their lives.

Look him up, if you're on Facebook, share if you dare. Every little helps. This is his page: www.facebook.com/mattinsley81

Lamahaha · 01/03/2020 10:04

PS In fact, there were over 100 shares of the original post. Hundreds of comments -- and this is America.
One of the comments mentions that he's gay, so there's that too.

WomanBornNotWorn · 01/03/2020 10:19

1K + comments on his tweet now, some agree some disagree, but almost entirely civil from what I've seen

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bundevac · 01/03/2020 10:22

Man says something, fine.

harry miller was bullied by police and even contemplated suicide.

Justhadathought · 01/03/2020 10:53

There is certainly a woman hating and woman dismissing tendency amongst a sizeable percentage of the gay male population. Especially amongst younger gay men. That's not a uniform thing by any means, but a significant one.

I post on another forum which is almost entirely male...and I receive far more sustained vitriol from a small group of younger gay men, than any of the men saying similar tings to me ( on the issue of trans rights -which I've succeeded in creating a thread for ( Possible reform to the GRA and its implications). It is chilling the sheer weight of dismissal and thinly disguised contempt.

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