University lecturer accused of being transphobic for saying only women menstuate

[Rockluvvindad]

Not sure if anyone had seen this yet but came across it on twitter... Some choice comments in support of her on Twitter...

Did do a quick look but couldn't find any other thread on here about it.

thetab.com/uk/exeter/2020/02/28/exeter-lecturer-accused-of-transphobia-for-saying-only-females-menstruate-47008

Can't seem to create a clicky link on my phone so will do one later when I have access to the pc, but you can cut and paste for now.

RLD

At risk of further derailing but I follow Eva Poen on twitter. I think she has currently locked her account - I don't know when she did or if it is in response to this. But just noticed an excellent thread, the replies to Evan's "A doctor or nurse ticked a box. That's when you became a woman." are gold.

It's Saturday morning, we deserve some laughs.

twitter.com/evanderstap/status/1204868241677524993?s=21

But I hope Eva is OK. It's time universities stood up for their staff.

Evan is a Datsun if ever anyone was. 🚙😂🚗😂

Harrop and Webberley will be the only doctors left!

And Sarah Woolastone.

This is Bloody Blair and his 50% target. Working-class kids have not benefitted. The idiot chldren of the sharp-elbowed pushy middle-classes have colonised the universities and brought their fluffy-headed crap with them.

I right to think students also rate their lecturers ?

There were a flurry of threads on here a year or so back about the whole issue of rating universities.

It was around the time the head of one student union banned a load of newspapers from the student bar area because she disagreed with the politics. Literally prevented students from reading them.

The exit questions students are asked appear to relate less to the standard of education and more to the overall 'experience'. Including the price of beer in the student bar apparently.

The answers directly translate to awards to the unis, which affect funding.

The more politically motivated students who will be influencing things like no platforming will also, I imagine, be the ones highly invested in their exit questions/student survey (sorry I can't recall the exact terms).

If the government want to promote free speech and critical thinking at universities, they need to reduce the students' power.

thetab.com/uk/exeter/2020/02/28/exeter-lecturer-accused-of-transphobia-for-saying-only-females-menstruate-47008
An Exeter lecturer has been accused of transphobia after a series of tweets sent from a private account were uncovered
Can't help feeling LBGT societies have been infiltrated by the Monster Raving Loony Party, on reflection they are more rational.

The quote was:

One of the tweets sent by Economics lecturer Eva Poen read: “Only female people menstruate. Only female people go through menopause.”

100% accurate.
The report in the Tab seems quite neutral, with 'transphobia' in quotes in the title. I don't think the majority of students are necessarily behind wokeness.

This is Bloody Blair and his 50% target. Working-class kids have not benefitted. The idiot chldren of the sharp-elbowed pushy middle-classes have colonised the universities and brought their fluffy-headed crap with them.

Bingo! There is an article in the Telegraph stating only 1 in 5 degrees are worth the expanding costs. 50 per cent was a ludicrous target. Its effects have been to cheapen tertiary education, whilst inflating its costs. Another stellar achievement from Team Bankrupt.

Correction. It's 1 in 5 would be better off if they had not entered tertiary education.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/02/29/one-five-people-go-university-would-financially-better-had-not/

The current generation of students have also gone through a school system where their "voice" was of utmost importance. Those of us over the age of 30 didn't have a school experience anything like that. Pupils are now routinely involved in interviewing staff in schools for example; they EXPECT their opinions to matter and will quickly complain if they don't - universities are now having to adapt to this too.

If reality and facts are 'unsafe' - meaning mentally challenging, causing of trauma - the answer is a good therapist and taking responsibility for dealing with your own distorted thinking.

The expectation of the whole world pretending alternate universe is ridiculous, it's extreme immaturity and distortion of thinking.

Probably getting a bit OT but that's in the Times too

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/degrees-dont-pay-off-for-fifth-of-graduates-r30l922rz?shareToken=838a22675c881846c9e8af09a012ad09

I'm not sure if that's directly relevant tbh. There is and always has been an issue with student politics that those with less full timetables have more time and energy for involvement. Zealots, of course, will make time even at the expense of their studies. But the mass of the student body simply have better things to do.

But the mass of the student body simply have better things to do.

Good point Errol I should think that there is also a sharp distinction according to degree subject. The prevalence of wokery in social sciences like sociology is likely to eclipse the numbers in civil engineering.

This is such a great response! Because that's all this is to most of the 'allies' and activists - a new religion. It certainly doesn't benefit in any way those distressed by their bodies.

How about a new word to describe the Woke? Acolytes.

If hearing things you don't like make you feel threatened to the point of suicide, what are you doing in higher education?

Get back to your family plot and pick turnips.

That response is hilarious. It's interesting, isn't it? Because this ideology is enforced with puritanical zeal. Its heretics are denounced and careers are terminated. The imagery in that response is spot on.

I’m not on Twitter (because i can’t work out what’s serious and what’s satire). What subject was this lecturer lecturing in?
Cause I’m really confused as to why they are picketing they medical schools because presumably there’s a lot of woman/man vagina/penis talk there, as well as much less specific differences between males and females (hormones and such, I dunno closest friends got to medical school was the bar over the road). I suspect it’s because the students inside the medical school are too bloody busy to have time to disappear into the void. And maybe just maybe that’s what the rest of the young people need. Whatever happened to youth clubs and illegals raves. Internet is making everything too easy.

If it's transphobic to think I know that only females menstruate and go through menopause, I guess that's me and most of the earth's population. The ones who have been taught a bit of biology or sex ed, anyway. 🤷🏼‍♀️

What I truly don't get is, even if that contradicts someone else's magical thinking, how I am making them unsafe. If someone thinks every white feather they find is an angel message just for them, or believes that Father Christmas come down their chimney, and I disagree and say so, I can see they might ignore me or be cross with me, or even feel a bit sad, but I'm unable to see how it makes them unsafe. Unless it's a mental health issue, in which case it's not my help they need.

Because you just can't have a period without a uterus whatever you identify as, can you? And nobody can make it happen for you. And if you're buying the kit and pretending to have periods, that's a game you're playing and it harms nobody, but medical professionals are not obliged to see you in a gynae clinic and nobody has to go along with your game if they don't feel like humouring you.

It doesn't mean anyone who disagrees wants to beat you up or see you beaten up or won't step in to protect you if anyone starts beating you up.

I'm almost disappointed our lecturer for the module in question is striking at the moment as I kind of wanted to see them cover the "differences between the male and female larynx" in the timetabled lecture this week in a suitably inclusive and non-triggering manner! (It's actually on our lecture outline as such)

I avoid our student union building - tend to find it a threatening environment with my gender-critical tendencies.

Ooh, Kuponut, that lecture sounds like a potential minefield for offence. I can imagine the lecturer waking up in a cold sweat at 3am on the day, and nerving themselves with black coffee before going through their lecture notes again with a marker pen...

Kuponut thirty years ago I was avoiding the student union building and so was pretty much everyone else because it was run by mostly peculiar professional students and zealots who saw themselves as some kind of elite group above other students, mostly had large, dramatic fallings out with each other involving sides, much politics, and as big an audience as could be mustered. There were a few decent ones who genuinely cared about and supported others - mostly the LGB ones - but they avoided the elite group as much as everyone else did for the same reasons. Getting student union meetings to be quorate used to involve practically press ganging and kidnapping people from the bar next door, then blocking the door so they couldn't escape until after a vote.

Doesn't sound like much has changed really.

I was a politics and modern history student in the 80s in a hotbed of Militiant Tendancy. I met Dave Nellist. Nice, sincere guy.

On the fifth floor (politics) we were all polite mainstream left and one token tory who sat on his own. The headbangers were all in Engineering.

I know Eva and she's considerably more measured than me (!) in dealing with this insanity. We are now witnessing entitled students who think that their nine thousand pounds a year allow them to dictate the views of their lecturers. Eva teaches economics: unless she stands up and announces her reality-based beliefs in the middle of, say, a statistics lecture, then it's no-one else's concern what she thinks. And her account is not usually private - it is now, likely to avoid the gender inquisitors.

Between this, and the deplatforming of Selina Scott, I feel utterly depressed today. As some of you know, I was ultimately evicted from my discipline due to the PR headache I was creating for York (a situation that was not helped by some so-called GC allies citing their friendship with my HoD as a reason not to be officially supportive). It is a horribly isolating experience and I'm sure Eva will appreciate all messages of support ♥️

Between this, and the deplatforming of Selina Scott, I feel utterly depressed today. As some of you know, I was ultimately evicted from my discipline due to the PR headache I was creating for York (a situation that was not helped by some so-called GC allies citing their friendship with my HoD as a reason not to be officially supportive). It is a horribly isolating experience and I'm sure Eva will appreciate all messages of support

Hi Dr. Moody, it is lovely to see you here. I can understand why you are feeling depressed and what has happened to you is completely outrageous, yet sadly, as you say, a sign of the increasingly totalitarian times. I hope that the tide is turning as a consequence of more media coverage of the myriad injustices which are happening because of this lobby's relentless witch hunts. That is of scant comfort I know, but surely the current oppressive climate can't last indefinitely? The best of luck Louise with your case and it is great to see you here.

Was just wandering around the Frankfurt historical museum and saw this quote...seems appropriate.