People who menstruate

[lafemme]

NC as this concerns my place of work - (a school)

Brook will be delivering a talk to staff. The synopsis of content is 'people who menstruate - supporting them in period poverty'. Throughout the whole summary of the talk this term is used. This is Brook's wording.

I'm really surprised at an organisation such as Brook using this term - Why not use the term young women/ girls in period poverty?

Is this just semantics? I can't help feeling that the term 'people who produce sperm' would just never be used 

Boys and men do not menstruate. Even those that have transitioned do no not.

Woman is a sex not a gender.

Male and female refers to sex. If the talk referred to people with female anatomy then it would cover all bases.

Theres a word for "people with female anatomy"

2 in fact

Girls/women.

What about the majority of us who find it incredibly offensive that our words are deemed so disgusting and terrible that they must never be uttered.

This is maddening and sinister.

I went on a website recently to look for advice on PMD. My mood was not helped when I found this fucking women’s health website referring to “people who menstruate” Aaaargh!

We are women!!

Why insist on calling people women who do not want to be called women?

(You could of course just call them transwomen.)

Sappho could I ask you a similar question?

Why insist on calling people cis women who do not want to be called cis women?

Boys and men do not menstruate. Even those that have transitioned do no not.

The language is not catering to transitioned men but transitioned women.

There are two options Brook could take: 1. Pretending that trans boys / men don't exist and ignoring the fact that these people menstruate. 2. Using the term 'people who menstruate' when specifically discussing menstruation.

Remarkable that you see these as the two options. What about:

1. Say women/girls and trans people who menstruate [to be inclusive]
2. Say women/girls [only, and stop pandering to people who would only purposely feel “excluded” because they’d be looking for a Twitter fight].

Don't see the issue

Indeed.

The language is not catering to transitioned men but transitioned women

Including ones who do the most female thing ever and get pregnant/have a baby.

It's a piss take we have to change our language for people who can't even make up their minds about what triggers them and what doesn't

I actually cannot believe it's acceptable to exclude the language women/ girls from a talk on periods.

I'm even more concerned that this is acceptable in an organisation which helps very vulnerable girls and furthermore has made its way into a school!

Male and female refers to sex
So does man and woman. 'adult human female'.
If some prefer to identify themselves by gender identity rather than sex, as transmen, then we can just use the word 'and' as I've suggested upthread.

Why insist on calling people cis women who do not want to be called cis women?

Who is calling anyone that?

Not all women menstruate, and not all people who menstruate are women so I don't understand the insistence on using woman in this particular instance.

Of course the talk could could refer to girls over the age of about 10, women under the age of about 50, trans boys, trans men and anyone else aged between 10 and 50 with female anatomy... however 'people who menstruate' is more succinct.

I read a science-fiction novel, decades ago, about a male-supremacist society in which women were blamed for whatever disaster had caused widespread infertility. Women were considered barely human, kept for work and breeding.

Those old enough to impregnate were called ‘bleeders’ and the successful ones were valuable ‘breeders’.

I hear that contempt in trans vocabulary like ‘menstruators’ and ‘lactators’.

Not all woman menstruate but everyone who menstruate are women and girls. Whether they like it or not

SapphosRock, you keep banging the same old drum, and we still refuse to dance to your tune.You’ll have a hard time convincing women that “not all people who menstruate are women”.

This is all part of the trans lobby’s attempt to pretend women don’t exist as a separate sex.

This.

Do people really think that a handful of mostly vulnerable teenage girls are managing to change every bit of language that affects women?

It would be the first time in history that women are being listened to and obeyed.

No. It's necessary to eliminate the word woman from female biology because making a biological distinction between women and transwomen is offensive to transwomen.

See Munro bergdorf allowing women to participate in their own march as long as they didn't talk about their biology.

So asking women to accept this erasure in order to be kind to transmen is deceitful and deliberately obscures the power behind the campaigning.

A female can legally transition to become a man and still menstruate 🤷‍♀️

They might not want to but many still do.

And these people are being acknowledged.

It's really not hurting anyone.

It's really not hurting anyone.

Nonsense. I thought you were a feminist?

People who menstruate, people who earn less, people who are passed over for promotion, people who are raped, people who are talked over, people who do the bulk of the domestic work, people who are subject to FGM, people forced into marriage, people who are trafficked into porn and prostitution.

It's all women/girls. If you can't identify the group it's happening to you can see the oppression based on the fact they're women.

It's not little boys being married off to middle aged women is it, ffs?

Its hurting us. When we cant define ourselves and everything thats female specific , becomes unclear who it affects.

*can't see

So SapphosRock reducing any person to the dehumanising 'people who ...' because it is succinct is the best option in your opinion? And why does it seem to be only female biological processes that are focused on and not male's?

Why not work to achieve a better way to talk to people that does not reduce them to a 'process' ?

Ffs. This is deliberate woke virtue-signalling. If what they want is to be inclusive to trans people, (rather than promote the erasure of women, which is what they are doing), then they could very easily have just called their talk 'Period Poverty' (and then mentioned that people who identify as transmen may also menstruate).

I'm pretty certain hell will freeze over before we start seeing people who ejaculate, people with erectile disfunction, people with prostate cancer, treatment for people with premature ejaculation, etc.

Funny that. You'd think transwomen would be all over that. Currently calling them men is so exclusionary to women who suffer from erectile disfunction.

Brook will be delivering a talk to staff. The synopsis of content is 'people who menstruate - supporting them in period poverty'

Once again, it is noticeable that the a core part of the trans agenda is a concerted assault on language which describes external reality. The proponents of this agenda believe if they can control language, they can bend reality to match their whim. The only people who menstruate are female.

A female can legally transition to become a man and still menstruate

Actually they legally transition to become male

And saying male people menstruate is clearly nonsensical bullshit.

It’s the exact same linguistic gymnastics that has led newspapers to publish equally nonsensical phrases such as ‘her penis’ when referring to the convicted rapist and paedophile, Karen White.

Which is why many of us think the GRA needs repealing, not reforming, and insist that pronouns are sex based, not gendered.

I find all of this deeply, deeply sinister. I'm using a period tracking app which helps me monitor painful periods and it refers to 'people who menstruate'. Something that's supposed to help women manage their unique bodily functions is simultaneously erasing them. I want to delete it but it's useful, so I'm stuck with this gaslighting 'suck it up and be a good little menstruator' bullshit, gives me the rage. Never going to tolerate this shit, not happening.