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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Help! Where do I start explaining the trans issue to male friend?

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peacelikeariver · 26/02/2020 22:40

Just got into this with male friend who thinks it's nice to be kind and inclusive.
Sure is, but he is apparently clueless about all the trans issues/trampling all over womens right stuff.
Just send me links to scientific journals declaring sex is not binary( largely about intersex conditions).
Where do I start?
How do I explain?
I usually keep my mouth shut but this is a really good friend and I'm a bit shocked.

OP posts:
ListeningQuietly · 28/02/2020 21:26

Sarahmused
I shall read up but would be delighted to stand corrected.

peacelikeariver · 29/02/2020 10:32

I feel really sad today. Sex is a social construct, FFS! Hmm
I have also noticed my 'female conditioning' is out in full force. I keep catching myself thinking 'oh maybe he didn't mean that, maybe he meant it a different way.' Why am I trying to excuse this bullshit?
What do you people do to cheer up when you feel like the insanity will never end?

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LonginesPrime · 29/02/2020 19:07

Where do I start?
How do I explain?

I get that his view is untenable to you (and lots of us), OP, but then there's another part of me who thinks 'jeez, look at all the women on this thread spending their valuable time working to spoon feed a lazy, misogynistic man to explain why women need rights'.

I would just distance myself, personally. It's not women's job to explain feminism to men.

Thelnebriati · 01/03/2020 11:14

What do you people do to cheer up when you feel like the insanity will never end?

  1. Stop pandering to men who do this. They know full well what a woman is and what they are doing is a form of abuse. (Yes I know many people think thats an overused word.)
    They are getting off on lecturing us that we arent real; stop facilitating them, stop wasting your energy on them.

  2. Self care. Whatever that looks like to you, do enough of it.

  3. Do something for other women, for women's rights. Do something small every day. Make it a habit.
    Focus your organising and fundraising efforts where they can do most good.
    If you can't speak much IRL you can do something on social media.

peacelikeariver · 01/03/2020 11:50

We actually had another exchange yesterday (started by him) and I have decided to give up.He just keeps arguing right past the point and ignoring the points I'm challenging him on. Nobody can be this wilfully dense. He's trolling me. Hmm

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Lordfrontpaw · 01/03/2020 11:58

He’s a man, and not trans. He has no dog in this race. Tell him to keep out.

Karwomannghia · 01/03/2020 12:07

Dh struggles with this and says he’d welcome transmen as a man. He finds it hard to see the predatory nature of men and how women feel unsafe a lot because he’s not like that. Gah.
But one thing I’ve said is they’re starting to make toilets gender neutral and I don’t want to share public toilets with men. I’m not talking about TW specifically, I’m talking about men who identify as men being in the same toilet are and walking past urinals etc. These are RL implications not theoretical let’s all be nice to each other guffs.
I also said that for a woman their whole being biologically, historically, sexually, socially and politically revolves around their reproductive system in one way or another so the physical side of being a woman is extremely important.

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