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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Keir Starmer understand safe spaces.....?

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Cwenthryth · 26/02/2020 14:52

Maybe?

m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/keir-starmer-huffpost-interview-bigger-the-win-the-better_uk_5e5516e4c5b6ad3de384561c?utm_hp_ref=uk-homepage&ncid=other_homepage_tiwdkz83gze&utm_campaign=mw_entry_recirc

When I was director of public prosecutions, one in 10 victims [of domestic abuse] was coming forward and nine out of 10 wasn’t. We were all focused on what we do in the criminal justice system quite rightly,” Starmer said.

“But the real problem was that very many victims of domestic violence, sexual violence, didn’t feel like a tell anyone about it. And I think that does mean profound change, I tried to change the criminal justice bit, you know, how do you actually prosecute these cases, how do you link up with the police?

“There’s a step before that, which I don’t think we properly tackled or got right which is: where’s the safe space for victims to actually go to discuss what’s happened to them? And the idea that a victim of domestic violence or sexual violence is going to walk into a police station and report what’s happened to them is so unlikely that we shouldn’t have it as the model anymore.”

Starmer said he remembers vividly when he called in specialist trainers at the DPP to underline why safe spaces were needed.

“They had a group of about a hundred staff in a training programme. And then they said to the staff ‘turn to the person next to you and tell them the best sexual experience you’ve ever had’. And of course everyone blushes red and doesn’t know what to do. And then they said ‘imagine how difficult it would be to tell someone the worst’. And it really brought it home to people.

So if KS sees the value in safe spaces - can he see why women may need safe spaces away from males - irrespective of how nice those individual males are, or how they may identify or ‘feel like’ women themselves? He’s never going to say that out loud right now, obviously.....but maybe just maybe he does actually get this.

(The typo errors are original; apparently no one proof reads anything any more!)

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StillWeRise · 26/02/2020 23:13

maybe he'll offer them 'ministers for the farthest far flung hitherto unheard of overseas territories #1 and #2'

WeetabixBananaHipsterFFS · 26/02/2020 23:57

And what will he offer don’t-know-much-biology Butler?

Cwenthryth · 27/02/2020 07:52

Perhaps something like Transport, Environment, International Development, Business, Housing... there’s tonnes of important roles. Just because she’s a black woman who believes in gender doesn’t mean that Women & Equalities is all she can turn her hand to. I think I’d offer her DFID or Housing if it was me. RLB for Environment or could keep Business.

Or the new leader could go back to a PLP-elected shadow cabinet as they used to have.

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MaMaLa321 · 27/02/2020 07:59

Starmer signed the 'other' pledge on LGBT issues, which clearly states that TWAW and supports changing the GRA and implementing Self ID.
He didn't have to.
How anyone can see that, and still think cling on to the hope that he is going to listen to GC women is beyond me.
They're all shit.

Cwenthryth · 27/02/2020 08:16

He didn't have to.

He’s playing the game. If he hadn’t signed the LGBTLabour pledge he’d have come under a lot more criticism from the trans lobby on this.

Have any of them not signed either? Burgon or Murray?

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EmpressLangClegInChair · 27/02/2020 08:24

I heard him speak about fgm when he was DPP, he had no reason to take up this cause (and when I heard him, he had come to listen to grassroots campaigners)- so I am inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt

I’ve heard Lynne Featherstone of the LibDems speak about FGM. She was excellent. But she still declared that feminists or believers in biology have no place in her party.

MaMaLa321 · 27/02/2020 08:41

I won't vote for a politician who believes that TWAW. And I won't vote for a politician who signs up for something he doesn't believe, when he doesn't have to, for political expedience. What the hell has happened to politicians?

Violetparis · 27/02/2020 08:45

I am basing my opinion of Keir on his actions (signing that pledge) rather than projecting what I want him to be or hoping it is all part of a grand master plan.

Cwenthryth · 27/02/2020 14:22

I respect that MaMa. I do think that the Labour Party suffers for choosing ‘being right’ over being electable, that goes for all shades of red. Perfect is the enemy of the good etc

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HPFA · 27/02/2020 16:00

I get you, evenquieter. But we (those with a vote in the election) only have the choice of Starmer, Long-Bailey or Nandy. That’s it. I don’t think abstentions are helpful when some options are worse than others even if all are undesirable.

This is it absolutely. It's clear that KS is better on these issues than the other candidates therefore if you have a vote, use it. Make no sense to abstain in favour of a "better" candidate who isn't there.

Languishingfemale · 27/02/2020 16:05

Isn't it depressing that the only choice of a new Labour leader is a man who we're all hoping and praying doesn't really believe that the earth is flat and that men can magically transform into a biological women.
So awful Sad

Muuuuuuuum · 27/02/2020 18:38

@Tellingitlikeitisnt I feel bad about "outing" her - she definitely wanted to take our conversation re GRA offline.

She does have a history of working for women though (although so do plenty of the TWAW brigade so...)

Bananabixfloof · 27/02/2020 18:45

I think Keir gets it. He had a great History of understanding VAWG and supporting initiatives and change
I understand the frustration in him not unequivocally saying TWATW and biology matters but I also understand how careful he needs to be to avoid a pile on

I’m going to take a punt that he won’t sell us all down the river and vote for him

But what's so bad about a pile on? It would surely prove the stuff we have been saying (and living through) is correct. I think he wants to be leader more than he cares about women.
I guess we shall soon see who's right.

Doobigetta · 27/02/2020 19:06

Are there actually any female Labour MPs who are openly gender critical? Or even any male ones? If not, and KS isn’t good enough for you, there isn’t really anywhere left to go. If you’re going to stay in the party to change it from within, you’ve got to start somewhere.

ListeningQuietly · 27/02/2020 20:47

I won't vote for a politician who signs up for something he doesn't believe, when he doesn't have to, for political expedience
Prepare to be perpetually disappointed

I'm not a member of any party
I do not think Keir is the best option for Labour leader
but he is by far the best out of the options on the ballot.

I dislike being called a hater for pointing out that people with a prostate are not women
but I'm willing to focus on Brexit being the bigger short term issue

HPFA · 28/02/2020 20:39

Interesting

twitter.com/SamGreenBolt/status/1233471374724882436

Cwenthryth · 28/02/2020 20:45

Ooh very! Sorry Sam, not everyone agrees with you.

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Violetparis · 28/02/2020 20:47

I have been having a text conversation with a RLB canvasser, they really don't get it. They said RLB was inclusive and wanted to keep same sex spaces legal. I replied to say that is meaningless if any man can self id into those spaces.

Cwenthryth · 28/02/2020 20:53

Oh interesting. I replied to Angela Rayner’s text canvass asking if I had any questions for her yesterday morning, and not had a reply yet.

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RuffleCrow · 28/02/2020 20:53

I guess whether he continues to 'believe' twaw will depend on whether he's serious about becoming PM or not. He will need MNers on board to win. If he thinks he can wing it on the Mark Darcy factor, he can think again.

ListeningQuietly · 28/02/2020 21:03

On the Webchat Keir said "Trans rights are human rights"
ie no less but also no more
fingers and toes crossed

RuffleCrow · 28/02/2020 21:07

i'd like to hear him expand that sentence further:

"Trans people enjoy the exact same human rights as every other citizen under the law".

Come on, Keir. I'm not even legally trained and I've pretty much nailed it. Hmm

ListeningQuietly · 28/02/2020 21:10

Ruffle
I suspect he will once he's in a position to call the shots ....

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