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Westminster Child Abuse: Aimee Challenor and The Green Party

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WootMoggie · 25/02/2020 15:56

The Aimee Challenor case features prominently in the Westminster Child Abuse Report published today.

They quote from the report into The Green Party by Veritas:

“It is disappointing that many people we spoke to in the party failed to see the safeguarding issues that arise here. Those in the party who were told about David Challenor’s activities saw the issue as primarily a communications one – about protecting the reputation of the party. Awareness of safeguarding issues in the party in general appears to be low.”

The report itself adds:

“From the evidence we heard from Liz Reason, Chair of the Green Party Executive, safeguarding issues remain a matter which the Green Party needs to address.”

This section of the report concludes with:

“For child protection and safeguarding to be effective, political parties must ensure that their members and those in positions of authority – including those who may have joined from other parties – are appropriately trained and aware of safeguarding and child protection policies and procedures.”

The above from paragraph 15 onwards at: https://www.iicsa.org.uk/publications/investigation/westminster/part-j-safeguarding/j2-safeguarding-and-child-protection-policies-government-departments-political-parties-and-palace

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Michelleoftheresistance · 25/02/2020 18:04

Interesting, Woot particularly as the Verita report came out, Challoner changed parties and everyone just went... .

Two things not mentioned:

Verita state in their report that Challoner was not capable of understanding safeguarding. Their phrasing. Challoner was not able to comprehend the issues they put to Challoner even after repeated explanations on their part, to the point they recorded in the report that they did not believe Challoner had the capacity.

This report mentions should someone be able to transfer under safeguarding concerns, from one party to another, and it's discussed as a training issue. The issue here is not training, but capacity. Challoner was placed in a role with known stated findings from an inquiry that they did not have the capacity to understand safeguarding. That is a massive failure on the part of the Lib Dems.

Even without this inquiry in their history, Challoner, through information in the public domain, could be thought of for a number of reasons as a vulnerable adult in ways that would impact upon planning for role working with vulnerable others , with any one of those reasons in themselves significant enough to pause for thought. What capacity considerations were made, and what safeguarding requirements were considered both for Challoner as a worker and as a service provider with vulnerable others? Where is the evidence of risk assessment, process and foresight?

The other question I would be asking, as part of equality and safeguarding process: would a non LGBT person of the same age and experience have been equally unconsidered in Challoner's position, with the same blasé approach to placing them in such a role? Were safeguarding expectations reduced and Challoner therefore unfairly used because of their LGBT status, or because their LGBT status benefitted the party?

WootMoggie · 25/02/2020 19:08

Challenging questions, both.

In particular, I do wonder why no-one ever challenges the illogical assumption that vulnerable people are the ones best suited to crafting policies for... vulnerable people.

Perhaps it's the same thought process that leads Mermaids to conclude that children are the ones most qualified to advise careers what their best interests are.

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WootMoggie · 25/02/2020 19:09

(carers, not careers)

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littlbrowndog · 25/02/2020 19:12

As langcleg would have said sacred caste Michelle

Safeguarding that’s for others not sacred caste.

picklemewalnuts · 25/02/2020 19:20

Refreshing to see official reports recognising the issues.

NeurotrashWarrior · 25/02/2020 20:28

Wow, I'm glad this has been recognised.

MmeAlice · 25/02/2020 20:46

I hope you don't mind, but I just retweeted part of the OP to Mhairi Black given the current scandal in Scotland and the drag queen story time in school incident yesterday.

OvaHere · 25/02/2020 20:50

Aimee is still trying to pursue Andy Healey through the courts.

mobile.twitter.com/djandyhealey/status/1232274386201251840

Andy I believe was either expelled or disciplined by the Green Party for whistleblowing and not letting the safeguarding issue drop.

OhHolyJesus · 25/02/2020 21:33

AC left Greens before AC could be disciplined as I understand it (just after T*RFBlocking Caroline Lucas) then AC headed over to the LibDems before tapping up Labour.

AC married Nathaniel Knight in December in Michigan and since has reopened twitter and has been tweeting about Elizabeth Warren.

OhHolyJesus · 25/02/2020 21:35

Sorry Ova I misread your post - it's unbelievable Andy H is still being pursued.

What was it that happens with that charity Prism with AC? Didn't they expel AC after safeguarding was breached with 1-2-1 sessions? Trying to remember.

theflushedzebra · 25/02/2020 21:49

AC is currently supporting Elizabeth Warren in the US - how active and involved that support is, I don't know - but given who AC is now married to, this should be as much cause for concern for Elizabeth Warren's campaign as it should have been for the Greens, and the Libdems.

Im very pleased to see the Challenors risk go on official record. Never forget, David Challenor, convicted paedophile, had a hand in writing policy for the Green Party, including safeguarding policies which would affect children. And Aimee was active in trans youth/Stonewall at the time. This sort of thing is so, so dangerous.

jadefinch · 26/02/2020 09:46

Looks like Aimee has quit politics for the third or fourth time in 18 months.

I remember Lib Dem after Lib Dem accusing anyone who raised concerns about Aimee joining the party of transphobia. The Green Party did the same. I doubt a child can be safe in either party.

Westminster Child Abuse: Aimee Challenor and The Green Party
jadefinch · 26/02/2020 09:48

Aimee also lives in Coventry, has just married a self-confessed paedophile in the USA and is campaigning for Elizabeth Warren, but has moved to Aberdeen due to a fire in Coventry

Westminster Child Abuse: Aimee Challenor and The Green Party
R0wantrees · 26/02/2020 09:48

LangCleg wrote Thu 21-Feb-19

"How did the scandal of TV entertainers grooming and exploiting children get so bad before anything was done?

How did the scandal of Catholic priests grooming and exploiting children get so bad before anything was done?

How did the scandal of on-street gangs grooming and exploiting children get so bad before anything was done?

Because if you create a sacred caste of any group and silence anyone asking questions about individuals on behalf of the sacred caste, abusers will see, infiltrate, and groom and exploit children. That''s how."

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3512177-Julia-Long-asking-Munro-Bergdorf-about-child-exploitation?pg=12

Gingernaut · 26/02/2020 09:51

The Lib Dems do have a history of turning a blind eye.

Lord Steel has only resigned in the last 24 hours, having taken no action about Cyril Smith. At all.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-47573243

R0wantrees · 26/02/2020 10:01

Its not just LibDems, its a cross-party issue & also a problem in large organisations & charities.

25th February 2020 Daily Mail
(extract)
"The report identified how former prime minister Margaret Thatcher and ex-Conservative party chairman Norman (now Lord) Tebbit were aware of rumours about MP Peter Morrison having 'a penchant for small boys' but did nothing about it.

The report said the allegations 'should have rung alarm bells in government'.

But, instead, 'considerations of political embarrassment and the risk to security were paramount, while the activities of an alleged child sexual abuser who held senior positions in government and the Conservative Party were deliberately overlooked, as was the course of public justice'.

Indeed, the inquiry found there was a 'consistent culture for years' in the whips' offices to 'protect the image' of their party by 'playing down rumours and protecting politicians from gossip or scandal at all costs'.

It meant victims' interests were often overlooked, with many organisations failing to pass on allegations to police.

The report also found senior diplomat Sir Peter Hayman was the beneficiary of 'preferential, differential and unduly deferential treatment' over claims he sent obscene material in the post, following a meeting between his solicitor and the then-director of public prosecutions.

There was also 'striking evidence' of how 'wealth and social status insulated perpetrators of child sexual abuse' from being brought to justice, as in the case of Tory MP Victor Montagu.

The report stated: 'A consistent pattern that has emerged from the evidence we have heard is a failure by almost every institution to put the needs and safety of children who have survived sexual abuse first."
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8042803/Ex-Liberal-leader-David-Steel-QUITS-Lords-child-abuse-inquiry-criticism.html

26th February 2020Times,
'Abuse inquiry: Labour ministers led group that backed Paedophile Information Exchange'

(extracts)
The former Labour cabinet minister Patricia Hewitt must accept responsibility for the “foolish and misguided support” given to a paedophile campaign by a leading human rights group, the inquiry report said.

The report said that the NCCL’s leaders “should have known better” and: “There was a fundamental failure to see the problem and a lack of moral courage to confront it.”

The inquiry said that the NCCL, now known as Liberty, was guilty of a “deference to ideas”. Its desire to be open-minded and “push at the boundaries of what was considered appropriate” had “blinded them to the danger and led to some seriously flawed thinking”.

The report said: “It is difficult to come to any other conclusion than Hayman was treated differently from his co-defendants on the basis of who he was. In other words, his prominent position gave rise to . . . special treatment.”

The inquiry added: “There is no question but that Hayman was the beneficiary of preferential, differential and unduly deferential treatment as a person of public prominence.”

The case showed the “culture of deference” that allowed a number of paedophile politicians and officials to escape investigation and prosecution."

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/abuse-inquiry-labour-ministers-led-group-that-backed-paedophile-information-exchange-d0vv229rr

Michelleoftheresistance · 26/02/2020 14:57

The total lack of any accountability is increasingly depressing.

MASSIVE failures. Expensive reports pointing out massive failures.

Everyone shrugs and carries on failing.

picklemewalnuts · 26/02/2020 15:31

This is really helpful though, presumably it will be publicised to those concerned? Those who shouted down the questioners will be educated, won't they?

Fallingirl · 26/02/2020 16:02

Holy crap ”Its desire to be open-minded and “push at the boundaries of what was considered appropriate” had “blinded them to the danger and led to some seriously flawed thinking”.”

Are people seeing yet?

endofthelinefinally · 26/02/2020 17:16

Poor old Tom Watson is getting a pasting for getting the police involved when he was given false information about a paedophile ring. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
I think he seems to be a decent man and the conspiracy theorist part of me (which seems to be increasing recently) wonders if it is even possible that someone would want a well intentioned politician to be deliberately distracted.

R0wantrees · 26/02/2020 19:50

Are people seeing yet?

Not enough people yet but awareness is growing.

SunsetBeetch · 18/04/2020 19:54

Oh. My. God.

"@greenslgbt Is Aimee Challoner still working for Global Greens? t.co/LZX32sVmX9 "

"Aimee is our Co-Convenor, yes. We would note that she has apologised for her actions."

twitter.com/greenslgbt/status/1251290962816450560?s=19

"She’s just married a paedophile. Are you aware of that? t.co/BWajWUk1YI "

twitter.com/Glinner/status/1251517593137172487?s=19

SunsetBeetch · 18/04/2020 19:59

"You can find Aimee’s response here:
t.co/s1sixHKZbt "

twitter.com/greenslgbt/status/1251493428854091778?s=19

The s/he Wiz hacked excuse Hmm

Lordfrontpaw · 19/04/2020 08:56

Apologised? Oh well that’s ok then.

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