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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Good article in the Telegraph today about Scotland's GRA consultation

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TheCatsServant · 25/02/2020 02:44

Unfortunately the full article is behind a paywall. Already lots of comments and every one...so far...is critical of the proposed changes.

It seems as if newspapers are publishing articles on this virtually every day at the moment...more sunlight 👍

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/02/23/snp-womens-group-say-opponents-nicola-sturgeons-plan-self-declare/

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BovaryX · 25/02/2020 06:03

From the article:

Cllr Caroline McAllister, the SWP's head, said its members are dismissed as bigots and demonised for their "perfectly reasonable concerns" that the change would be harmful to children and could be exploited by predatory men. In contrast, she said that the LGBTI lobbyists who are campaigning for the law change "receive millions of pounds in government grant and have easy access to politicians and officials."The damning submission is significant as the SWP's members includes a series of senior SNP parliamentarians, including Joanna Cherry MP, a close Alex Salmond ally touted as Ms Sturgeon's successor

BovaryX · 25/02/2020 06:10

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/02/23/snp-womens-group-say-opponents-nicola-sturgeons-plan-self-declare/
I am not sure if that link works, Telegraph doesn't seem to do share tokens.

BovaryX · 25/02/2020 06:17

There is also an article about Mhairi Black's response to criticism of a drag queen called Flowjob appearing at a Primary school. How much Kool aid is required to think this is a good idea?

^Mhairi Black, Paisley and Renfrewshire South MP, visited Glencoats Primary School in her constituency with a performer called FlowJob, who read to P1 pupils aged four and five.
Following an online backlash against the trip, Ms Black claimed the critics were homophobes and applauded the school for arranging a "great day." However, Renfrewshire Council issued an apology^

SarahTancredi · 25/02/2020 06:58

bovary

And heres me thinking the real homphobes are those who think that men need to be allowed to be sexually explicit/inappropriate etc in order to be able to participate in life Hmm

Guess mr Smith down the road who lives with his husband , 2 adopted children and a dog and is a surgeon is just too mainstream and boring these days.... I mean what could he and a lesbian firefighter teach kids.....

BovaryX · 25/02/2020 07:13

Guess mr Smith down the road who lives with his husband , 2 adopted children and a dog and is a surgeon is just too mainstream and boring these days.... I mean what could he and a lesbian firefighter teach kids.....

Precisely. I do not see what is remotely progressive about teaching children that if they like pink or ballet they are girls, and if they like football they are boys. The stereotypes at the epicenter of this lobby are regressive. And some of these stereotypes they reinforce the porn colonisation of popular culture. How is that empowering for children?

SarahTancredi · 25/02/2020 07:22

I thought this is what they fought for. To be seen as the normal regular people they are. To be able to marry and have families.

At what point did we become " if I cant teach children to twerk and post pics of me suckimg didldos on face book then you are all homophobes" Hmm

Anyone would think that they are trying to create a problem so there's something to fight for and become relevant again.

BovaryX · 25/02/2020 07:29

Douglas Murray calls this St George in retirement syndrome and I think it is a significant part of the culture wars of the 21st century. The desire of many alleged progressive activists to silence dissent, criminalise debate, compel speech and use the agents of the state to enforce compliance? This is the new establishment orthodoxy. Much of it is incoherent, anti democratic and profoundly authoritarian. In the case of the trans lobby, it is all of the above plus replete with regressive sex stereotypes.

NotMyFIrstTIme · 25/02/2020 12:07

You can create a free account on the Telegraph and get access to a small number of articles each week.

Or you could look at this pdf :)
www.dropbox.com/s/e0v2d1uswsge3ta/SNP%20women%27s%20group%20say%20opponents%20of%20Nicola%20Sturgeon%27s%20plan%20to%20self-declare%20gender%20are%20ignored%20and%20threatened%20with%20violence.pdf?dl=0

R0wantrees · 25/02/2020 15:27

There is also an article about Mhairi Black's response to criticism of a drag queen called Flowjob appearing at a Primary school. How much Kool aid is required to think this is a good idea?

2017 Buzzfield article by Patrick Strudwick:
"By Day This Man Is An SNP Political Adviser, By Night He's A Drag Queen
How does someone become both a high-ranking adviser to the Scottish National Party and one of London's best-loved drag queens? Here, Nathan Sparling tells BuzzFeed News the outrageous and heartbreaking truth behind his double life."

(extract)
In a white, cramped bedroom in Clapham, south London, one of the Scottish National Party’s most trusted senior political advisers is pursing his lips to sweep dark rouge up his cheekbone. He smears eyeshadow next, in multicoloured arches over his brow, but leaves the eyelashes bare.

“I’m a drag queen in trainers – why should I wear falsies?” he says.

Nathan Sparling is 26, 6’5”, and not ungenerously proportioned. “I have an overactive knife and fork,” he quips." (continues)

A week ago, his backroom strategising and campaigning helped secure a major victory for the SNP in the House of Commons: a vote 138–1 in favour of a bill introduced by one of their MPs to ratify the Istanbul Convention, which imposes a minimum requirement on countries to tackle violence against women.

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“History – signed, sealed, delivered,” he tweeted from his politics account @nathansparkling. “Proud to have made a small part in making #ICBill a reality.”

This evening, as a laptop perches on his bed playing a Pet Shop Boys gig, Sparling is preparing to become Nancy Clench, host of the weekly karaoke night at one of Soho’s most famous institutions: the Admiral Duncan pub. She also has a regular spot at Heaven, London’s biggest LGBT club. And her own Twitter account. Nancy Clench is a star." (continues)

But no one else is known to be employed simultaneously in both worlds, switching between the two like Superman in a phone box.

But then few other parties have changed so dramatically regarding LGBT rights as the SNP. The party that once championed anti-gay campaigner and businessman Brian Souter now has the highest proportion of LGBT parliamentarians in the world. And Scotland, once neck-deep in whisky and machismo, is now a leader, socially and politically, in LGBT rights.

Straddling both worlds, Nathan Sparling is its most in-your-face symbol." (continues)

He breaks immediately into conversation before leading the way to the drab interconnecting rooms he shares with two SNP MPs: Eilidh Whiteford, for whom he works directly, and Mhairi Black, the wildly popular rising star and the youngest member in the Commons, whom he also assists.

Big Ben looms through a small window high up in the office.

Sparling’s work here, he explains, spans research, communications, and strategy with particular emphasis on social justice, on which Whiteford is the party’s group leader." (continues)

www.buzzfeed.com/patrickstrudwick/meet-the-worlds-only-political-adviser-who-is-also-a-drag-qu

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