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Anyone up for helping each other complete the Scottish GRA Consultation?

26 replies

Dances · 24/02/2020 18:44

I know there is advice out there but I don't want to just follow that. It would be good to discuss each question. Anyone?

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OhHolyJesus · 24/02/2020 19:28

I'm up for that but it could be long winded - I haven't tackled this yet but it's imminent as the deadline approaches.

I was going to personalise it but use the guidelines as a basis.

As with the surrogacy consultation, I think different questions will strike a chord with different posters. (The egg donation thing was a big thing to me, others were more concerned over the age of proposed surrogates etc)

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 24/02/2020 19:37

It was too late for mine, but the Scottish government commissioned some research on brain maturity to guide sentencing guidelines (spoiler, they under 25s don't always make rational decisions). Twitter thread here:

twitter.com/will_malone/status/1231271063285166080?s=19

FannyCann · 24/02/2020 19:38

I haven't looked at it yet. Is it long? The surrogacy 118 questions took me many many hours and I ended up editing quite a few of my answers in line with Nordic Model Now template answers.
The GRC I was able to complete without too much difficulty thanks to the suggested answers from FairPlay For Women.

Where can we find guidelines for this one?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 24/02/2020 19:41

Guidelines here:

forwomen.scot/ (I think others have done some two)

There's only 5 questions, but a lot of reading depending how in depth you want to get.

There's some good stuff here too:

murrayblackburnmackenzie.org/

PlayYouLikeAShark · 24/02/2020 19:43

If it makes any difference to anyone contributing to this discussion - online submissions can be withdrawn & re-submitted if there's something that's come up since your submission was made. Postal/written submissions can't be.

ArranUpsideDown · 24/02/2020 19:48

I'm interested.

This is a packed out week for me at work so it will be Friday before I can give it serious consideration tho'. I'm aware that this is hard on the deadline.

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 24/02/2020 19:50

Lgb alliance have guidance as well

Dances · 24/02/2020 20:35

So maybe Friday night?

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ArranUpsideDown · 24/02/2020 21:58

So maybe Friday night?

I'm up for it - cheese nibbles, a few olive biscuits, a Virgin Mary.

And I'll see if I can locate some bluestockings.

Imnobody4 · 24/02/2020 22:03

www.snpwomenspledge.com/
Found this which might help.

FannyCann · 24/02/2020 22:24

Me too. Friday night it is.

DuLANGMondeFOREVER · 24/02/2020 22:31

It’s only 5 questions, all have comment boxes.

If you are a regular on FWR you will have no trouble writing a meaningful submission.

It asks for a name and email address at the end so consider setting up a free email account if you would rather your main one doesn’t go on a list somewhere!

I wrote my longest answer on the bit about dropping the age from 18 to 16.

ExpletiveDelighted · 24/02/2020 22:44

I've made a start reading it, thanks for the links.

GRAconsultationGuidance · 27/02/2020 00:16

Hi, adding this guidance to help with this Link here to Women & Girls in Scotland guidance

ArranUpsideDown · 27/02/2020 00:35

Looking forward to Friday night. Submitting lots of work tomorrow and Friday before noon so that should give me time to clear my mind, gather my sociable nibbles and get ready for a form-fill-along.

Newuser123123 · 27/02/2020 07:07

Wpuk are formulating guidance too. It's on my to do list for the trello board a few of us are working on too x

TheWordWomanIsTaken · 27/02/2020 13:36

I’m in.

ArranUpsideDown · 28/02/2020 09:49

What time are we virtually gathering for this tonight? Is 19:00 OK?

BingBongSong · 28/02/2020 20:54

Just wanted to mention that Make More Noise! had a form already written which they handed out at the last gathering. I added my details and posted it a couple of weeks ago. @DJLippy could you help?

ReappearingWoman1 · 28/02/2020 21:35

There's a lot of information, lots of guidance & published responses that can help with this. But, one of the most important things women can do is to try and frame their responses to explain the impact of loss of female only provision has/had/will have. Spelling out the impact is important to challenge the EQIA.

Do male inclusion policies impact your day to day life? Does the doubt over privacy and dignity or safety stop or limit you participating in public life? Prevent you from taking up services or care or health screening?

Think of what you do day in, day out where you look for and expect privacy in Male free spaces or provision. Does the lack of that Male free space or provision make you change your choices, participation?

The reasons you need or want that Male free spaces, when you are vulnerable, in a state of undress, sleeping, changing, washing. Can you link that to your experiences through your life? Can you point to experience or behaviour that has informed your view that your privacy, dignity, safety and ability to participate in public life is best realised in female only provision?

Have you experienced a situation where the inclusion of males in a particular setting has hampered the participation of women?

All of us have lived this stuff, experienced things that inform why we want or need female only services/provision/spaces/support. Tell them when you self exclude, when you have to make different choices/decisions or lose out as a result, why that happens, and the reasons and experiences you've had that mean you understand why female only provision matters and losing that will negatively impact your life and the lives of women & girls around you.

NonnyMouse1337 · 01/03/2020 08:18

Remember to reference this as evidence in your submission to the Scottish government's proposal of GRA reform.

www.scottishsentencingcouncil.org.uk/media/2044/20200219-ssc-cognitive-maturity-literature-review.pdf

The conclusion is worth reading.

  1. Conclusion

This report has synthesised recent neurological and neuropsychological evidence pertaining to the age at which adolescents achieve cognitive maturity. In doing so it has outlined the development of neurocognitive functions and the stages at which they occur, discussed factors that have the potential to temporarily or permanently disrupt the typical developmental trajectory, and examined
the links between cognitive and emotional maturity. In doing so we have endeavoured to answer the following aims:

To identify evidence that emotional maturity is linked to maturation of the brain, and of the age at which the brain is fully developed.

The advancement of neuroimaging methods has played a key role in our understanding of adolescent cognitive development. MRI studies in particular have demonstrated that the brain remains in an active state of development until between approximately 25 and 30 years of age.
During this developmental period, an immature prefrontal cortex, and consequent dysfunctional cognitive control over phylogenically older emotion and reward-related regions, are suggested to be
responsible for the normative risk-taking behaviour characteristic of the adolescent period; and to contribute to difficulties in self-regulation (5,8). In short, immaturity of cognitive regions along with overactivation of emotion and reward-related regions contributes to adolescents finding it difficult to think rationally and critically before making complex decisions (9). Pubertal onset is reported to trigger this increased behavioural responsiveness to emotionally salient stimuli, again reflected in aberrant fronto-limbic functional connectivity (5,8).

To identify evidence that continuing development of the brain during adolescence and young adulthood means that young people have less impulse control, ability to plan and make rational decisions, and greater susceptibility to negative influences and peer pressure.

The brain’s continued maturation during adolescence and into early adulthood limits the functional abilities of young people, impacting their capacity to control their behaviour. Most affected are those skills that form the executive functions (including the ability to plan, control impulses and pay attention), which are located in the last region of the brain to achieve maturity, the prefrontal cortex, meaning that adolescents are unable to call upon them reliably. Concurrently, a rise in dopamine is associated with an increased sensitivity to incentives and rewards, particularly those associated with short term gain, peaking between the ages of 14 and 16 years of age. Brain regions associated with emotional responses become more active and sensation-seeking is observed to increase. Occurring together as they do, it is the immaturity of the executive functions, coupled with their emotional context, that impairs decision-making in the presence of rewards, making it difficult for adolescents to ‘override’ their drive towards short term gratification. This is particularly the case in males, where, in comparison to females, higher levels of sensation-seeking and lower levels of impulse control are observed (262). The presence of peers has also been observed to exert an influence on decision making, although the mechanism for this remains unclear.

To identify evidence around any factors which inhibit, either temporarily or permanently, cognitive maturation including, but not limited to, adverse childhood experiences (ACEs) and traumatic head injuries.

The ongoing development of the brain during adolescence increases its vulnerability to factors that may slow, or permanently disrupt cognitive maturation. Findings have evidenced that factors including traumatic brain injury, alcohol and substance use, psychological and neurodevelopmental disorders, and adverse childhood experiences, contribute to abnormal cognitive maturation and functioning. Adverse experiences are a particularly potent and significant risk factor as these also compound and increase the risk and vulnerability to develop significant mental health problems, accumulate further stressors and adverse experiences, and affect key factors of resilience and cooping, such as the abilities to mentalise, emotion regulate and utilise support.

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7.2 Application in Judicial Contexts

The neurobiological and cognitive developmental trajectories associated with cognitive maturation are non-linear, and differ between individuals, limiting our ability to definitively pinpoint the beginning and end of cognitive maturation. There is however converging evidence that this process continues into the mid to late twenties, an age range typically considered adult rather than adolescent and that we should consider biological, rather than chronological age. Most striking is that the last region to develop is that which provides the foundation for those functions most likely to be relevant in a judicial context, the executive functions. Significantly, evidence supports theoretical models that position poor decision-making and increased risk-taking in adolescence as the result of typical maturational processes rather than solely reflective of preference or personality.
It would appear therefore that the consideration of culpability, and by extension sentencing, in both adolescents and young adults should include due regard to their cognitive maturity. More difficult will be attempts to support such deliberations with assessments of cognitive maturity on an individual level. Currently, the widespread use of imaging is both impractical and unlikely to be helpful given the variability between individuals but, as the number of epidemiological studies mapping normal brain development increase, it may in the future be possible to develop growth curves similar to those used routinely for height and weight. The comparison of offenders’ performance on psychometric measures where normative data exists to illustrate typical functioning
in both adolescents and adults is perhaps feasible in a minority of more serious cases but the measurement of many aspects of cognitive maturity may prove elusive.
It follows therefore that consideration of adolescent cognitive development is highly relevant to the judicial system given the necessity to:
i. Ensure an adolescent’s ability to engage with the court process and their fitness to
plead (15)
ii. Consider an adolescent’s culpability, relative to their cognitive maturity and linked ability, during sentencing
iii. Consider sentencing decisions with reference to their potential to expose an
individual to additional contextual and behavioural factors which may inhibit or
disrupt typical cognitive development.

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 01/03/2020 16:33

The tricky thing is it contradicts the trendy notion that 16 year olds should have so many millions of rights including the right to vote.

But I would happily abolish child marriage and child soldiers tbh

JiggeryWokery · 01/03/2020 17:41

I completed it yesterday, took about an hour and a quarter. As a PP has mentioned, if you are a regular FWR reader you won't have any trouble coming up with something to say. The difficulty is trying not to get too ranty!

When you get to question 5 there is a link to the impact assessments that have been carried out in relation to the proposed change to the GRA process. The one relating to the Equalty Act is particularly interesting as one of the points is basically "have there been any examples of women being harmed by the impact of self ID?". The answer refers to a study published in 2017 and the conclusion was "no"! I think if we can all get some examples along the lines of Karen White in here, from the last two years, that would be good .

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 01/03/2020 21:10

Rhona hotchkiss's talk at the Scottish parliament made it sound quite impactful with regards to prison

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 01/03/2020 21:14

The tricky thing is it contradicts the trendy notion that 16 year olds should have so many millions of rights including the right to vote.

It doesn't really. A 16 year olds vote is moderated by all of the other votes cast. A marriage can be ended. Those are all reversible unlike a GRC.

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