I find these sort of programmes can be a bit pointless because there's not a lot of time and there are so many angles and perspectives to cover on such topics. Everyone feels rushed and that they have to talk quickly to get their point out before someone else interrupts and interjects.
I'm starting to prefer programmes like the ones by Joe Rogan and the Triggernometry guys because they get someone on and then they have an hour to articulate their thoughts. The host can ask probing questions or challenge them on certain points, but overall, they get the space to explain their viewpoint even if it seems a bit controversial or upsetting in some aspects. By the end, you've got a better understanding of where they are coming from and why they think the things they do even if you might not agree with everything that's been said.
That seems more productive than several people speaking over each other at once or not being able to answer a question to the extent that they would like.
It was really good to see the difference of opinion between the two black men in how they conceptualised racism. Too often in 'progressive' or 'woke' politics, ethnic and religious minorities are classed as some homogenous, oppressed and sensitive group and sweeping assertions are made about them and their 'community' as if everyone thinks and feels the same way.
It's really important that people from ethinic and religious minorities have the space to publicly disagree or contradict one another.
Good points from Andrew Doyle and Shereen from Edinburgh university on the topic of wokeness being a sort of religion.
What I found ironic (and I wished someone pointed it out) was the woman who liked to dismiss people's concerns as rare, individual cases that have been blown out of proportion and is not indicative of a wider problem..... When the whole basis of identity politics / oppression Olympics / intersectionality approach is using individual cases as evidence for insisting that systemic islamophobia, racism or transphobia etc exist and are of serious concern. That the entire country is overrun by racists and transphobes and islamophobes because the majority voted for Brexit or the Conservatives.
If she can easily wave her hand and dismiss story after story of people being affected by so called social justice warriors hounding and harassing them, then why shouldn't another person dismiss stories of racism or prejudice towards other groups as simply unfortunate, individual cases that are being blown out of proportion?