'Gender is over'

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I really like this kid's attitude and wonder if other young people may follow suit.

Much more progressive than the TWAW and TMAM mantras from older TRAs.

I imagine this would be a very positive read for gender non conforming young people:

raisingmyrainbow.com/2020/02/20/gender-is-over/

There's already a thread on this with the same title:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3830030-Gender-is-over

No, it's not awesome. He's a naive kid who just wants everyone to be happy and can't understand why we all just can't get along. This bit is especially not awesome:

"I got my school district to stop sex/gender segregation in elementary school PE classes"

I'm also interested in what bathrooms/changing rooms he thinks people should use.

Oops I missed the other thread.

I don't see any issues with mixed sex PE classes at elementary school. Post puberty is different.

I don't think it's up to little kids to decide educational delivery. Elementary school goes up to 11 by which time girls will have boobs and periods and be body conscious. It's not up to a boy to say they can't have single sex PE provision.

Early puberty and prepubertal development means that the school ages don't map appropriately - while I'd say its fine for KS1 kids (in U.K. terminology) to do mixed sports, that's not so much the case by yr 6. It's generally accepted kids shouldn't change together after yr 4 or 5 - somewhere around 8/9 would be a more realistic cutoff.

I don't see any issues with mixed sex PE classes at elementary school. I wonder if "gender segregation applied in changing rooms too?

My dd was fairly developed at 10, and by 11 had been having periods for 8 months. No way would she want to share changing rooms with boys her own age.

When I was little, like five or six years old, I wanted to be a girl. I never felt like I was a girl or like I was supposed to be a girl. That means that I’m not transgender. I don’t feel like I’m in the wrong body. I feel like I’m in the right body. I’m just me. CHange the sexes in that and you have me... I wanted to be a boy. Never felt I actually was but wanted the world to let me be who I was / am!

Dressed in 'masculine' clothing and used the female facilities. Should be easy enough whichever way round you do it..

From the link:

I am a member of the LGBTQ community. My gender identity is male and my gender expression is female.

No. There is nothing inherently 'female' about having long hair and liking makeup and dresses. Those things are feminine-coded, which CJ acknowledges later in the paragraph, but conflating 'feminine' with 'female' is reifying gender stereotypes, which is harmful.

Also, being a feminine boy doesn't make you part of the LGBT community. Of course it's possible that CJ is gay or bisexual, but that isn't what's being implied here.

I think that perhaps because CJ rejects masculine stereotypes so strongly, he doesn't realise that almost everyone has a combination of masculine- and feminine-coded traits and interests. For gender to really be over, a label like 'gender creative' wouldn't be needed, because everyone could dress however they liked without any reference to or thought of gender.

Of course, in that utopia, things like school sports would, logically, be divided by biological sex. Nobody would care if some of the boys on the boys' team liked wearing skirts.

OP I agree. If this is what the trans movement was about I could get behind it: i.e. breaking gender stereotypes without any pretence that wearing certain clothes actually makes you the other sex, no belief in gendered souls, or the born in the wrong body nonsense or attacking women's rights.

Such a shame it isn't.

My gender identity is male and my gender expression is female. To be fair he does say a little bit later feminine, whatever that means I suspect there is no way to say all of that without there being an issue with some of the expresssiions - which is how TRAs got so bloody far in capturing various orgnaisations in the first place!

Gender may be over but sex isn't. Which is why spaces for women and girls were created in the first place, and why we need to keep them.

probably not written by him

Ok, valid criticisms but can we go easy on the actual kid here?! He's young. He may have had this statement written for him.

I read it (linked by a wokey friend on SM) and thought mostly it was ok. If it were written by this kid it shows an unusual level of self-knowledge and balance for a child of that age. He wants to be himself, he's expressing himself - it's all good. The stuff about PE I know many of us would have reservations about but I think this 'free from gender stereotypes' stance is to be applauded, surely? He qualifies many of the statements he makes very clearly.

Also, being a feminine boy doesn't make you part of the LGBT community. Of course it's possible that CJ is gay or bisexual, but that isn't what's being implied here.

Yup, I find this a little disturbing actually.

I think that perhaps because CJ rejects masculine stereotypes so strongly, he doesn't realise that almost everyone has a combination of masculine- and feminine-coded traits and interests.

I tend to think a kid rejecting anything he perceives as masculine so absolute is being reactive, no one is really that one-sided.