Education or explusion - Labour MP for Nottingham East goes hard!

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If you thought it was just the runners for the labour leadership who are doubling down right now. No - many are at it, here they go:-

Nadia's clear on her stance:

twitter.com/NadiaWhittomeMP/status/1229741462859997185
@NadiaWhittomeMP
Replying to
@SocialistswithT

@shack69owo
and
@Labour_Trans
Yes, as I’ve said above, unrepentant transphobes/racists/misogynists etc. should be expelled.

The Labour Party should educate those who are ignorant rather than ideological. And if they don’t respond to education, they should also be expelled.

Respond to education ?

This is not a political party that I recognise.

Maybe she can deal with all the misogynists first, I wonder what criteria she would use to identify them?

twitter.com/DebbieHayton/status/1229903086329749504?s=20

Great reply from Debbie Hayton.

At least Labour do practice what they preach, in that they ignore dissenting transsexuals in the same way they ignore women who don't do as they are told.

There's an entertaining Twitter thread from Janice Turner and various luminaries. My favourite line: Is a Labour Party MP suggesting she will exile all of us to a single-sex space?! (Raquel Rosario Sánchez)

Hope the link works.
twitter.com/VictoriaPeckham/status/1229823979260710912

She’s expelling the misogynists too. Mmm, that’s going to be interesting. Morton’s fork for our times:
‘Do you think male feelings should take precedence over female? Yes? Misogynist - out! No? Transphobic - out!’

Christ on a crumpet, that language!

Unrepentant

If people don't respond to education they will be expelled?

WHAAAAAAT?!

I can only assume she's jumping in to take the heat off Dawn Butler.

No she's indicated that shes fully supportive of the Labour campaign for trans rights group & has said proudly she was the first MP to sign the pledge.

I hope she (& all the MPs & counsillors who've signed the pledge) read the article by the chair of this campaign group which explains their 'roadmap to liberation'
tribunemag.co.uk/2020/02/the-labour-campaign-for-trans-rights

I, for one, am looking forward to this "education". I'm hoping they go cross-party and borrow Layla Moran from the Lib Dems to teach a class on seeing auras; that sounded very cool when she mentioned it in the HoC!

Interesting to see the early (& unsurprising) cracks in solidarity amongt the Labour trans campaign group founding members.

Instead, they may be ignorant, or see their advocacy of women’s rights as being in conflict with trans rights.

Well come the fuck on and tell us how women's rights are not in conflict with trans rights then. We are waiting for our education!

I have been reading about this issue for a good couple of years now. On here, on Twitter, in the media. I keep reading that women's rights are not under threat, that self id won't harm women's rights, that women who have concerns are bigots.

What I have never seen is any sort of explanation of how this is the case.

Labour are now saying its just a matter of 'education'. So why not get educating? What are they waiting for?!

Getting a nearworm:

R4 The Moral Maze tonight features the chair of the Labour trans campaign group who created the 'pledge', Torr Robinson.

"Two of the final three Labour leadership candidates have signed pledges to defend trans rights, expel party members who express "transphobic" views and fight against Woman’s Place UK, LGB Alliance and “other trans-exclusionist hate groups”. Both those groups cited insist they are merely campaigning for the rights of women as they exist under UK Equality law, as well as those of gay, lesbian and bisexual people. This bitter quarrel could be seen as symptomatic of a wider culture war which calls into question the very notions of gender, sex, sexuality, social justice and inclusivity. For many trans activists, a failure to recognise trans women as women or trans men as men is itself hateful, because they believe it denies the most fundamental fact of their identity. Their critics, however, accuse them of denying a biological reality that sex is determined at birth. It is, they say, unreasonable to refuse even to discuss the subject. For those prepared to debate, there’s a lot to think about. What constitutes “transphobia”? What are the moral implications of gender self-identification? What rights and protections should be afforded to ‘biological’ females in women's changing rooms, refuges and prisons? What does gender self-identification mean for women’s sport? More fundamentally, where does ‘masculinity’ end and ‘femininity’ begin?

How should we respond to the increasing numbers of children and teenagers, particularly girls, being diagnosed with gender dysphoria? And what ethical considerations should apply in deciding whether and how to treat them? With Jane Fae, Graham Linehan, Torr Robinson and Kiri Tunks.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000fgsp?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3826996-Moral-Maze-Radio-4-8pm-19-Feb-Transgender-Rights

Labour needs to stop preaching to the electorate and start listening to them

Quite.

What I don't get is that labour refused to take a definitive stance on Brexit (presumably to avoid losing voters on such a polarised issue) but they're quite happy to come down on one side of a key and highly polarised civil rights debate.

Jane Fae has said on a previous Moral Maze that puberty blockers are "no different from giving girls the contraceptive pill" - and was believed.

Interesting to see the early (& unsurprising) cracks in solidarity amongst the Labour trans campaign group founding members.

I really wonder what is in the minds of some when they use the word "democratic". I think it must be rather different than the usual meaning.

It's "Democratic" as in the German Democratic Republic. People's Democray: Govt of the People for the People by the Party on behalf of the People.

LonginesPrime I think that's because they are so in their bubble that they didn't even see all this as an issue. Probably didn't even cross their minds that there would be any impact on women. Because they didn't bother to even think about it

Councilworker

That's a good find, your web foo is obviously top notch! The whole thing is just dishonest which considering her 'brand' among other things is being a honest activist is what made me keep an eye on her.

The tweets back to her are hilarious, but being one of those ideologically pure types means she will just avoid any self reflection, i know people here think she is young/naive and being used but i think she is very much a willing participant and instigator.