Stonewall

[Hadalifeonce]

DD's school have advised that they are using Stonewall as an information source for their LGBT discussions, I don't want to derail these important discussions, but I really want them to be very careful about some of the 'facts' which may be stated.
Can anyone advise of the best way to put this to the school, I don't want them imparting opinions as facts and using sex and gender as the same thing.
I want the students to get a proper understanding of what is actually going on.

Ask for their PSHE policy documents and scheme of work. Most likely the curriculum is decided by each individual school so you may have to ask each one individually. Teaching materials are a different matter altogether tho - those should be reviewed regularly by teachers, and should be adapted by them to suit the individual students, so they are unlikely to be available to anyone wishing to review them.

Thank you Parrot

OP, this thread just came up on my twitter, it may be of interest to you:

twitter.com/CarterSheard/status/1229206640974614533

Malcolm Clark (LGB Alliance) has written some excellent threads about Stonewall
mobile.twitter.com/TwisterFilm
If anyone has time to dig out the relevant ones it would be good to add them here.

Thanks for all the advice, as yet I have not heard back, half term. But am now armed with various links and comments. It all just really concerns me that intelligent people can be led so blindly into accepting others beliefs and opinions as facts and then offering them as such to vulnerable children/teens.
Teens have it hard enough already with their on line persona and body image.

Following with interest as my dd who is autistic and gender non conforming is due to start secondary soon and having seen the secondary’s pride event they had a speaker in from Stonewall (they’re a stonewall silver champion). I’m preparing to ask for lesson plans and then she will be removed as I’m not having her head filled with any garage from Stonewall. She’s already quite upset at starting puberty and it’s making her uncomfortable and I fear if this isn’t handled rightly she could end up going down the trans route.

Following.

Hello, sorry to hijack this thread but I've just had notification that my daughters primary school has had Stonewall training and I'm horrified to be honest.

I'm not the best at articulating myself, does anyone have a draft letter they can send me I can amend to basically ask what resources the school is using? I have tried opening the resources from Transgender trend and Safe School Alliance however I cannot seem to open them.

I've also checked the schools Equality statement and can see they are misrepresenting the act by using Gender/Gender Identity so will request they correct this. I checked this a few months ago and they used Sex previously so they've obviously changed this fairly recently.

If anyone could PM me with a template they have used I'd be really grateful!

Hi all, just to update; I have heard back from the school, they have been centring on the history of homosexuality, covering the periods before and after legalisation. They are also touching on gender issues, but largely to ensure that anyone struggling, either with issues surrounding their sexual orientation, body image or gender confusion are supported, and treated with respect, and not marginalised.

I expressed some of my concerns about the offerings these days, and what met with a shocked 'there is no way we would be affirming anything like that, it's all about respect and support'

So am happy they are doing a good job. I think also, having a lengthy discussion with me and listening to my concerns, if things start going down the rabbit hole, they might think twice about the information they give.

@oooompa as mentioned do check out Safe Schools Alliance for template letters.

@DICarter1 good luck, it's great you're prepared for this ahead of your DDS entry into secondary. Have a read of other threads on here as where this has come up as an issue before, for gender non conforming kids (with or without autistic traits) and their warrior mothers getting the school to stand down.

Thanks @OhHolyJesus, I was having some difficulty opening the templates which is why I asked if anyone could share something but managed in the end. Now to await the Headteachers reply with baited breath!

That's a good outcome Hadalifeonce . I do think this is a good time to raise it with schools. Thanks to Lisa Nandy's advocacy of male paedophiles and rapists right to be in women's prisons and Dawn Butler's glorious " a baby is born with no sex" there has been a sudden realisation of the awful reality. Even the most woke of teachers will now have encountered concerns about the Tavistock and unethical treatment of children.

Glad you got something @oooompa

Keep us posted.

Sounds promising. My concern would be how they are dealing with gender confusion. Do they mean supporting children who are gender non-conforming or are they suggesting that someone who suffers from gender confusion might be grappling with whether they are a boy or a girl, ie are they clear on the difference between sex and gender?

Definitely clear on difference between sex and gender and agreed with my definition of 2 sexes, and gender on a spectrum. The staff member I spoke to was horrified when I talked of my fear of s boy who likes to wear makeup being told he was really a girl, and a girl struggling with her developing body being encouraged to breast bind because she is really a boy. She assured me that was absolutely not what they are about.

Hi All, I'm going into my DD's school tomorrow to talk though what she will be taught in PSHE this year, she's 11. I am looking at the Safe Schools Alliance website for tips with questions. Has anyone had a recent conversation with their school and has any advice please? I'm particularly concerned with political trans ideology and RSE.
Thanks

safeschoolsallianceuk.net/2020/10/25/new-ssa-uk-guidance-on-schools-rse-and-pshe-resources/

Safe school alliance have a new resource which is very helpful about specific red flag issues on resources.

recent govt guidelines: www.gov.uk/guidance/plan-your-relationships-sex-and-health-curriculum?fbclid=IwAR3rJ-GsD4J3ixw_l3IpVomPnf1-A41SFiD7v6GmhjRE5c54fLoHlK8jthU#choosing-resources

I'd be interested in how your conversation goes. I'm a step behind you, writing an email with my response to their RSE policy. It looks kind of reasonable except for someone doing a search & replace for 'sex' with 'gender identity'. Possibly on a woke governor's suggestion. I'm keeping my objection simple & focusing on why this is a bad idea for girls especially and 'isn't it reinforcing stereotypes?' And confirming they comply with new dfe guidelines. Plus safeguarding. My children are young primary aged. I'm a bit out of my depth but want to speak up.

Thanks HairyRrug and Melroses, appreciate that. I'm getting all my questions set out this evening. I'll let you know how I get on. Its taken about 5 emails to get this meeting. The school did send me though a list of topics they discuss and said we could talk through on the phone. I had asked to see the schedule of works, they said they didn't have it in a format for parents and was more just a lesson guide. however my DD told me they have a text book that stays in the classroom, I want to see that. If i can I will photograph. I want to know what other resources they are using, Genderbread diagram - don't want this, or watching BBC Bitesize - Pronouns day for example or BBC Teach. Safe Schools Alliance seems great with loads of information. I also feel a bit out of my depth but its too important to not find out.
Thanks will update

Fantastic. Thank you. Best of luck!!

Apparently some schools in England have been sent a copy of a publication and DVD called ‘The Transgender Agenda’. An accompanying letter summarises some concerns about the prescribing of puberty blockers, stating that we are ‘conducting an unregulated live experiment’ on our children (which I believe is a quote from a statement I’ve read elsewhere). It is a familiar line of criticism that tallies with a lot of the ideas discussed on this board but the organisation that has produced and distributed the DVD are a Creationist religious organisation, Truth in Science, so Twitter is (understandably) up in arms.

I haven’t seen the DVD or publication but if it’s emanating from an organisation that believes that Darwinism is a lie, then its content is going to get dismissed (and I certainly wouldn’t want to endorse anything produced by an organisation with such dubious credentials) But my worry is that it will get conflated by some head teachers with other excellent advice and guidance on the subject being produced by the likes of Safe Schools Alliance and Transgender Trend.

This person is discussing it on their Twitter and the uproar is predictability adding fuel to the fire that any gender critical person is obviously a right wing, fundamentalist Christian, homophobic bigot.

mobile.twitter.com/KatyMontgomerie/status/1321787179652231169

It’s really annoying. Let’s hope the head teachers exercise common sense and can examine this issue and act in the best interests of their whole student body without riding roughshod over the rights of the young women in their charge. And let’s hope Stonewall don’t gain any further traction because people think it’s only the likes of fundamentalist Christians who don’t buy wholesale into the Stonewall doctrine.

Hm. Schools are duty bound to respect the views of their pupils/families, whether from religious people or from trans activists. I don't agree with/believe either viewpoint, but they should be respected and presented as alternate views/faiths - just as a non-denom school presents Hinduism, Buddhism and Christianity as all equally valid.

I've just been struck by the thought that schools should also represent atheists and agnostics. A far as I know, they don't.

No Arabella they rarely represent a non religious belief as carefully as the main religions. Just doesn’t have the same weight as the god ones. Good luck to the OP.