Tom Swarbrick LBC tonight...

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... Talking about Labour's trans pledge.

Some time between 10pm and 1am

Sorry, what’s LBC?

www.lbc.co.uk/radio/how-to-listen/listen-to-lbc-online/

On now

3 men discussing women’s rights...

I really recommend people listen to this!

Debbie Hayton gives a pretty good account of themselves and the callers, well. I don't want to spoil it.

Janet from Ilkley......... So many stereotypes in one call.

Available on catch-up, 11pm onwards

The third caller, Kate from Islington, if you are on here you were fucking awesome!

3 men discussing women’s rights...

Point taken

• but 4 women discussing women’s rights - Lisa Nandy, Dawn Butler, RLB, Layla Moran what a catastrophic disaster!

Maxine in Hackney gets it too

Maxine mentions The Oxfordshire County Council case, and Girl Guides too at the end of the hour.

Safeguarding
Police and NSPCC captured by the ideology

How far into the programme does it start?

Annie from Carnforth
Another Labour member concerned about being kicked out of the party because she is against self ID.
Tom trying to explain the GRA and the EqA but not quite grasping it!

All in all, a good listen. I recommend it.

Benjamin Butterworth thinks it is disproportionate and cruel for rapists to be housed in the male estate but not disproportionate and cruel for a woman to be incarcerated and locked in a cell with a rapist.

He also thinks transwomen look like women - err no they really don’t.

Benjamin - women exist - we are not going away you utter bellend.

I starts about an hour in.

Thanks DeRiguer!

Just listened to this. Janet..... she was a set up surely? ... Her lesbian girlfriend (with penis ) who was a girly girl with girly bits... hysterical.
(eyes FWR sternly)

But languishing, they shaved their legs and took baths together!

Janet from Ilkley talking about sex with her penis-owning lesbian partner - 'There are many other androgynous zones'

I think she meant erogenous

Indeed MrsSnippyPants. She performed womaning far better than Janet with her false eyelashes and taking much longer to put on her make up.

Still eyes the board suspiciously..

If she was a plant fair play to her, I couldn't have kept that up for that length of time! Brava!

(Sadly, she could well be real).

Audio without the ad-breaks: voca.ro/fqHLTjA6UTR

"Janet from Ilkley" . . . . . . you slipped up here, Janet:

"I miss her, as a lesbian, more than some of my other partners, who were girls . . . " (Janet's emphasis)

Also . . . I thought "pansexual" was the bi-sexual banisher? Layla Moran, on taking a girlfriend after having only boyfriends, "comes out" as "pansexual" - rather than bisexual. Yet "Janet from Ilkley" sticks with being a boring old lesbian, rather than going for bisexual or pansexual.

I guess it all depends on the political point being made - either way, bisexuality is dumped in the dust.

The rest of Janet's spiel . . . I can actually buy that some women might be so bewildered that they go with the "false eyelashes = woman" equation . . . but . . . a lesbian? A lesbian who also claims, when asked what her lesbian mates think about the relationship, that she "only hangs out with gay men".

I am not a lesbian but I have some good friends who are, and some women friends who are bisexual. I don't know anyone who is a lesbian or a bisexual woman who "only hangs out with gay men".

Janet from Ilkley might be on the level but . . . her sangfroid about "engaging with" penis (as she put it) surely disqualifies her from claiming that her sexual orientation is that of a homosexual woman?

There is too much that does not add up for me to be able to think of her as actually being a lesbian, ie. demonstrating that she is eligible for protection under the Equality Act 2010 as having the sexual orientation of a lesbian. Maybe bi-sexual - but not lesbian.

She can call herself whatever she likes, of course. Maybe it is all true and she does consider herself to be lesbian, ie. "identifies as" a lesbian.

He also thinks transwomen look like women - err no they really don’t.

Yeah, "it would be ridiculous to put people who look and are perceived as women ...", I was thinking, "show me some!". I am one of the least observant people you could meet, I don't notice when people cut their hair, but I notice men dressed as women regularly and usually with just a quick glance.

It turns out I live in one of the 12 places with a transgender clinic, it might account for me seeing TW practically every time I go out in the evening.

I miss her, as a lesbian, more than some of my other partners, who were girls . . . " (Janet's emphasis)

It's really interesting how she says her ex was a woman because he shaved his legs and wore makeup. And then that some women are aggressive.

This is the problem with defining men/women by stereotypes and not biology.

This was an interesting listen. All the callers after Janet from Ilkley made excellent points and I liked that they challenged some of the interviewer’s sloppy thinking and terminology.

"All the callers after Janet from Ilkley made excellent points and I liked that they challenged some of the interviewer’s sloppy thinking and terminology."

It was odd, boatyardblues. Swarbrick seemed at first to have a grip on the subject but as the programme went on and the other callers came in he seemed to take a tumble down the rabbit hole.

(I am not going to give examples - trying to avoid another post being deleted so soon after the last one!)

He was probably getting flamed on Twitter and the producer/researchers were sliding stuff in front of him marked up with ‘retreat! Retreat!’ in red marker pen. He definitely referred to some BS interpretation of the EA2010 schools guidance being put in front of him by his team. Fortunately the caller took it in her stride.