enforced contraception

[EmmaGrundyForPM]

A No 10 aide, Andrew Sabisky, has previously advocated enforced contraception by injection at puberty.
Presumably of girls as there's no equivalent for boys. Hes also come up with some frightening theories about OW and ethnicity.

These are the sort of peopl now advising the government.

Calls for Tory aide to be sacked over 'enforced contraception' remarks

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/16/tory-aide-wants-enforced-contraception-to-curb-pregnancies?

www.thenational.scot/news/18242099.andrew-sabisky-made-vile-claims-women-sex-reddit/
Nauseating little misogynist.

Forced contraceptives are a terrible idea because implants and injections are hormone cocktails that have profound effects on the girl's developing body and a forced coil fitting would more correctly be called "sexual assault by penetration". My first coil fitted without anaesthesia was much more painful than my rape and inflicting that on teen girls would be genital torture.

At the moment I feel as if there is a new assault on women every day, so glad he's gone before I even had a chance to read the thread.

I'm.glad he's gone but still find it worrying that he was appointed in the first place and that No 10 stuck by him when this came out. He went because the Guardian, Independent etc made it impossible for him to stay rather than because No 10 sacked him.

I agree with EmmaGrundyForPM I find it very worrying that the government thought it was ok and even wanted to hire this extreme misogynist and rascist. It surely can't be for his great intellect, he seems to be an idiot. However angry one is with the Labour Party, they are better than this.

However angry one is with the Labour Party, they are better than this

They are advocating mutalating children's bodies if they play with the wrong toys for their sex.

Not one of them care about us.
We will find no help from those above us.

Was he actually serious? I know a lot of people who make jokes about ‘sterilising all the plebs’. Obviously they don’t mean it, they’re all hardcore liberals (probably why they make a point of saying really really politically incorrect things all the time). A lot of them also happen to be involved in politics in one way or another. Politicians and public servants are allowed to have an off piste sense of humour too.

Obviously if he’s serious then he’s too thick to be of use in number ten and needed to go.

Reginabambina
A joke is generally a throw away line. He's quoting race theorists and has an interest in evolutionary biology. What he was saying in the National Scotland article above though is advocating rape.
However I fear he'll become a free speech martyr.

Adam Rutherford on R4 last night was very good. Odd Boy attended a conference at UCL a few years ago where he got most of this guff from assorted white supremicists, fruitcakes and wierdos.

Rutherford says neither Sabisky nor Cummings are fit to hold office. Both are fascinated by Science but has never done any. Eunichs in a harem and all that.

However I fear he'll become a free speech martyr.

No-one is curtailing his freedom of speech - this is about who might have listened to him.

Anyway, it took a day for him to jump before he was pushed, and it may be worth noting that in 'He went because the Guardian, Independent etc made it impossible for him to stay' the 'etc' included the DM and the Times.

Same conference attended by Toby Young that eventually did for his career. Toby Young is currently on twitter whinging about ‘offence archeology’ and sympathising with Sabisky. He says “The defenestration of people from public life for having said controversial things in the past must stop.”

Unclear if he includes the ‘try raping your wife into submission’ comments in that.

One foolish comment by a young person might be one thing, but Sabisky has said controversial things on so many subjects.

I don't get the sense that there are a large group of people actually supporting these ideas. It's not similar to some of the sex or gender debates in that way. Most people, left or right, don't like this stuff about forced sterilisation.

It’s a slippery slope.
I know the US tried enforced contraception on women living on benefits after their fourth child. To continue getting benefits they had to agree to the hormone implant or injections. This was advertised so as to stop “welfare queens” just having baby after baby to stay living on benefits and never have to work.
I think they have since abolished it.
But I’m not suprised a U.K. politician has proposed it because there is a lot of pressure to reduce the welfare state. Cutting child benefit for extra children was thevstart, now they want to prevent the child from being created.

now they want to prevent the child from being created.
Well, they need a certain number of children born every year just in case drafting ever comes back.

Personally I agree with forced contraception. I think that as soon as a boy reaches puberty he should have a vasectomy. This can only be reversed when a woman (the female kind) agrees to become pregnant with that man.
Would sort out the over population problem and child support as the man must agree to support any resulting children if his vasectomy is reversed.

GingerPCatt

It won't be the man who has to have compulsory contraception, it will just never happen.

Well, they need a certain number of children born every year just in case drafting ever comes back.

Not really. There are enough volunteer immigrants who will sign up for four years in the armed forces in return for citizenship. The people suggesting forced contraception are the same ones who have a pragmatic view towards immigrants. They have a very inhuman approach to everything. It’s all about money. Money comes first, human life second.

Ginger,
A vasectomy is not forced contraception, that is forced sterilisation. Most vasectomies cannot be reversed anyway. The success rate is abysmally low. It’s equivalent to a hysterectomy on a woman after harvesting and freezing her eggs and telling hers oh, you can have IVF with your frozen eggs if you later get permission to be pregnant.

I find it all abhorrent and an infringement on our human rights.

I find it all abhorrent and an infringement on our human rights.

Give it 10 years and the term human rights, while still branded around, will be meaningless.

I think that as soon as a boy reaches puberty he should have a vasectomy. This can only be reversed when a woman (the female kind) agrees to become pregnant with that man

That is at least as ridiculous as Andrew Sabisky's comments on the issue. It simply wouldn't happen.

Also, you do realise that successful reversal of a vasectomy is by no means guaranteed, don't you? It is very hit or miss, and very often unsuccessful. Therefore, it would be teenage girls and young women who would bear the brunt of this assault by the state.

Enforced contraception should not be applied to either women or men. It shouldn't happen. Ever. People have bodily autonomy and that must be preserved. We don't live in China, where the mirena and other coils or implants are or have been imposed on women in order to try and adhere to the "one child" policy.

I think GingerPCatt was being sarcastic. Bit like that advert with the pregnant man - if you got pregnant. Oh what have I just said.

Somewhat sarcastic and riffing on the idea from here:
www.huffpost.com/entry/georgia-vasectomy-ban-abortion-bill_n_5c86c4d6e4b0d936162aea4d

Something similar to Ginger's idea has been floated before as satire: when a man comes of age, he banks his sperm and is then compulsorily castrated. He decides if and when his frozen sperm is used to father a child with a willing woman. No unwanted pregnancies, no men becoming reluctant fathers because of contraceptive failure, and less male violence because they have less testosterone in their systems. But, like mandatory contraception, it would be a human rights violation and so we can't do it.

This satire is useful as a tool for reframing assaults on women's reproductive freedoms. Suggesting the loss of the family jewels focuses the male mind.