A refusal to submit

[BovaryX]

It's interesting, isn't it? The new orthodoxy requires submission. Its slogan #no debate. Discussion, dissent, robust discourse? Nope. Sit down. Shut up. Learn to conform. The hierarchy of victimhood? Epitomised by the Guardian's revolving cabaret of oppressed Oxbridge columnists. Meanwhile, serious feminist scholars are silenced.

It is just so unbelievable that a woman of Germaine's stature has to put up with this nonsense

#nodebate really does mean in essence #nodisobedience

#toughluck

#youreallydontknowmuchaboutfemales

I’m with GG. “Bugger it”!

"People are hurtful to me all the time! Try being an old woman!"

Oh yes. When all the street harassment against women is taken seriously; when all the images of women as sex objects are taken down; when the issue of male violence is acknowledged, for a start, and taken seriously. Then we can talk about how "hurt" biological males feel that they are not women. They haven't a bloody clue what being a woman is for cryin' out loud!

GG made a huge impression on me when I heard her speak recently. I have never felt the same combination of intellectual challenge married to an absolute empathy for the lived experiences of women from a speaker before. Very powerful evening.

Forced submission of women is nothing but an abuse of power, and a male fetish. Anyone who demands your submission is taking pleasure in your female humiliation. It's a dark fucking century, this one, that's all I can say.

I would love to hear GG speak (and those questions were beyond ridiculous).

@ThrowingGoodAfterBad Agreed. It seems that with #metoo we had about 5 minutes of actually recognizing and addressing the impact of violence against women and then it was back to being all about the men again. Sick of it.

Totally on GG's stature and how she shouldn't have to be asked such nonsense.

KW is a great interviewer but my god this isn't one that is standing the test of time. WTF is she asking about undescended testes for? And why ask GG? She's not a medical doctor FFS.

The interview is a great artefact on how messed up how gender beliefs used congenital birth defects to muddy the waters.

I would love to hear GG speak

I think she's a bona fide genius.
I would love to have heard her when she was younger.

I don't think she is always right, and I think she sometimes argues for the love of argument (and she's not unskilled at argument for its own sake), but I do think that she has a brain capable of some very incredible thought.

I do also love her very Aussie bluntness :)

Have always loved how GG won't pussy-foot around issues and never apologises for saying what she thinks. I grew up in Australia and cut my feminist teeth on The Female Eunuch. GG is my role model and hero!

I would also love to hear her speak.

I don't think she is always right, and I think she sometimes argues for the love of argument (and she's not unskilled at argument for its own sake), but I do think that she has a brain capable of some very incredible thought.

People who argue for the sake of argument can be pretty annoying sometimes, but I think it can be very worthwhile. It's about the only way to really bring out and examine an idea that people think just seems right, or most people agree on. And it can bring out new insights that would otherwise have remained hidden.

GG has been a hero of mine for a long time. I’ve just bought a new biography of her, based on the collection of her papers she donated to the University of Melbourne.

Arguing is the way some people think out loud. I have often thought that about GG, that arguing clarifies her thinking.

Oh, fabulous!!! I love this.
In the same vein, try being a little brown girl growing up in an institutionally racist society in the 50s! You are permanently hurt, you permanently wish you were white because only those bodies are worthwhile (you're told) and nobody cares about your hurt and nobody even knows but you get on with it, deal with that hurt, get over it, find your "true self" and become a bigger, better, more mature person BECAUSE of your hurt, because you are not dependent on the approval and validation of others, don't need people to stroke your hurt feelings, don't need to be pampered and told how fabulous and stunning and brave you are, you just live your best life under the adverse circumstances! THAT's what makes you your best self!

Imagine if all the little black boys and girls growing up then had gone about whining that people are being mean! Does anyone really think that the white people who determined this agenda would bend over backwards to console us and lift us up? NO! Yet this interviewer thinks it's women's job to be kind to these poor souls, validate them.

NOBODY CARES is the truth. It should be all right to say I DON'T CARE about a random transperson's hurt feelings without being told I am mean and I should be nice.

And like GG, I am too old to care about being told I'm not nice.

I've just seen the story about how women are still actively and physically discriminated against in India for the crime of having periods. Merely having periods - the first stage necessary to be able to bring new life into the world - is viewed as disgusting and unclean, and women must self-isolate until their 'purity' and 'cleanliness' returns.

But transwomen, yeah? So much more important, always so much more fragile, so much more discriminated against. So stunning and brave in their denouncement of the word 'woman', so strong in their removal of women's prizes and safe spaces from this class of people who are biologically vulnerable.

Great post Lamahaha
Loved this interview, I agree, fuck their entitlement over my rights to not give a shit about their feelings!

Brilliant Lamahaha.

Jeepers.
An entire interview attempting to get Germaine Greer concede to TWAW.

Really? All the interesting things she could have discussed. Nothing. Broadcast of attempted coercion - let’s do it.

Lamahaha well said.

It is just so unbelievable that a woman of Germaine's stature has to put up with this nonsense

It really is. It's absolutely shameful that Germaine Greer is basically being intimidated by bullies. The Conservatives have repeatedly promised to do something about the existential threat to freedom of speech in universities and the #no debate, cancel culture which is suffocating debate. They need to demonstrate these are not empty pledges.