US girls sue for the right to have fair competition in sport

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Widely reported story yesterday - couldn't see it on here? Maybe lost among upcoming angst over the two big trial verdicts today?

Apologies if already a thread on this elsewhere

I’m new to this and getting increasingly incensed.

Welcome Cinnnemon. Incensed is the new normal.

Good luck to these wonderful young women. I hope their challenge is successful in this Olympic year.

This is very much the way NBC and Huffpost report these things. It’s as if the decision has been made the TWAW and any opposition to this is akin to flat earth earthers.

Good luck to them. It isn't just about medals for them... This is their opportunity to win the needed scholarships to get to college. But they can't get them if they don't get to the competition's where the scouts are!

And those wining the scholarships - I assume girls dorms and boarding houses? Girls changing rooms and showers?

Its a defacto ban because these "transwomen" would be uncompetitive in male competitions.

The males in this case did compete as boys prior to competing against girls and they didn’t place. Not being good at a sport is not a “de facto ban” it is just not being good at a sport. They can still do the sport along with the millions of others who are also not good at sport but run for fun or take part in Sunday leagues.

Competing in a race isn’t a human right.

Not being good at a sport is not a “de facto ban” it is just not being good at a sport.

You are absolutely right. I was thinking of men/boys who had undergone hormone treatment, which would render them completely uncompetitive with regular male athletes. But they still shouldn't be allowed to compete against women or girls, as they still enjoy a substantial unfair advantage. Plus it was their choice to undergo hormones, and they should have to bear the consequences.

I had assumed these boys in the court case had started hormones. But on reading other articles, I see they have not had any medical transition treatments. Just completely self-id'ed as girls. It would still be unfair even if they were on hormones, but this is doubly ridiculous.

The quote from one of these boys that "It is both unfair and painful that my victories have to be attacked and my hard work ignored.” just shows have arrogant and narcissistic many of these people are.

But they ran with boys before. They were cool with that - apart from the loosing but. Women and girls understand fairness but some people only think of themself.

You are absolutely right. I was thinking of men/boys who had undergone hormone treatment, which would render them completely uncompetitive with regular male athletes. But they still shouldn't be allowed to compete against women or girls, as they still enjoy a substantial unfair advantage. Plus it was their choice to undergo hormones, and they should have to bear the consequences.

It's bloody shocking that it's been easier to shoehorn male people into women and girls' sport and Title IX protection (FFS!) than to create separate competitions for people undergoing hormone therapy (because XX transmen taking testosterone won't be competing fairly, either). Connecticut is a small state, but relatively densely populated, and so the Connecticut Association of Schools-Connecticut Interscholastic Athletic Conference surely has a wide enough catchment to field enough trans athletes to have a meaningful competition competition. Connecticut already fields two transgirls in track running - which is almost an entire set of three medals. With a separate category, no doubt more would come forward, and these two kids could have some competition to make this competition meaningful for them.

Brilliant young women. That's what I call brave. It's perfectly possible to arrange other categories - the Paralympics have very carefully planned categories so everyone can compete fairly, safely and with dignity. Trans people could do just that in open/mixed by choice classes or specific classes for trans men and trans women.

What a coincidence ….

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8009879/High-school-runner-beats-transgender-competitor-filing-lawsuit-cut-girls-category.html

A female high school runner has beaten a transgender competitor just two days after she and other students families' filed a lawsuit to block athletes with male anatomy competing because they have an 'unfair' advantage.

Coincidence? So what - we aren’t saying that any male can beat any female are we? Or is the angle here that meany girls upset other athlete so much they can’t run properly because of all the, y’know literal violence of being told they shouldn’t be there?

I salute the brave young girls standing up for their constitutional rights like this.

Outrageous that it was ever allowed to get as far as it has. Let’s have two categories- female, and open. Open can include men, boys, males identifying as trans whether they take hormones or not, females identifying as trans if they are taking testosterone, anyone who went through a male puberty, regardless of how they identify, and athletes with xy chromosomes and disorders of sexual development that allow their bodies to utilise testosterone.

In the female events we can have girls, women, females identifying as trans who do not take testosterone and (potentially) athletes with disorders of sexual development that don’t allow their bodies to utilise testosterone.

There. Solved it.

The timing struck me as suspicious. It's not hard to deliberately lose a race

Yes, one young woman athlete beating a young transwoman athlete doesn’t mean that it is fair for the latter to compete in what was previously the women’s category. Besides, other young women who would otherwise have placed 2nd, 3rd, may well have lost opportunities.

Even if all transwomen lost all contests all the time, it STILL wouldn't be fair for them to compete in the female category.

People seem to forget these transgirls were mediocre athletes when they competed as boys. There are more boys out there who will lose to girls , you know. Not everyone is a brilliant athlete.
The fact that this male transgirl was beaten by a girl says a lot about how good the girl and how not that good the male transgirl is.

Even if all transwomen lost all contests all the time, it STILL wouldn't be fair for them to compete in the female category and its not just one race is it.

It's scholarships
It's messing up fastest/average times
It's changing rooms and washing facilities
It's beyond high school
It's showing girls that nope - life ain't fair, and people are just finding more and more ways to make it even less fair (so sit down, shut up and beeee niceeeeeee)

I recently started following boysvswomen.com/ (@boysvswomen on twitter). Some very interesting comparisons between élite women and... adolescent boys.

Perhaps if people no longer understand or respect the definitions of categories such as men and women, boys and girls, then toilets and changing rooms and sports need to be distinguished via a new binary division. This binary could be penis-possessors versus non-penis-possessors. It would be clear-cut then and no one could argue that "TWAPP", for example, unless they had had reassignment surgery.

According to the complaint, the girls have been denied a total of 85 opportunities to participate in higher-level competition between 2017 and 2019.

In the United States, Title IX is supposed to provide equal educational opportunities for girls and boys. This includes participation in sports. It is thanks to Title IX that girls’ participation in sports has risen from four percent to ten times that, 40 percent.