Emily Thornberry's Statement About Hate Groups/Trans Rights/Labour Pledge

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It hasn't clarified matters for me, I don't know about anyone else.

I have signed the pledge by Labour Campaign for Trans Rights. Here's my full statement:
#TransRightsAreHumanRights #Newsnight

twitter.com/EmilyThornberry/status/1227733218494906369

In fact, WPUK and LGB Alliance should publicly declare that they offer their full cooperation to which ever authority it is that determines the status of a group as a hate group.

They should volunteer full access to be examined, publicly, and judged by the official hate group criteria, whatever they may be.

Good god.

I can't quite believe what they've all signed up to.

They've all lost their minds.

If she hadn't signed, she would have been vilified as a terf, and her leadership chances would have been destroyed. It's as simple as that. I actually got the impression she signed under duress.

Starmer has not signed up to the Labour Trans pledge, he has signed up to the Labour LGBT+ pledge which doesn’t mention hate groups.

Has Starmer signed it? He's a bloody lawyer. Surely he hasn't put his name to a document declaring them a 'hate group'?

Starmer has signed a different pledge, the LGBT+ Labour pledge, rather than the trans Labour pledge.

Notable in its absence is the lack of support for women's rights from any of them. I'm done with Labour, they no longer represent me.

Sorry, my mistake. Didn't look closely enough.

Starmer is hedging his bets that's all. Suspect he knows how bad that trans pledge reads, but he still needs woke cookies.

She is actually worse than Nandy, she has signed the thing then issued a statement contradicting it.

So she's signed something then said part of what she signed she doesn't agree with? Hmmmm.

Well.
Thats that then.
My membership card in the bin.
I'm no loss to them, though. I'm a woman.

They should volunteer full access to be examined, publicly, and judged by the official hate group criteria, whatever they may be.

In default of membership lists, would they request the details of people who've attended WPUK events like the recent #WomensLiberation2020 ?

Yes. Just seen it on Twitter.

No, he signed the other one, the less batshit one created by LGBT+ Labour.

She's not disagreeing with it. She's adding a bossy coda telling the TRAs to play nicely. This isn't a statement directed to women, it's a way of going even further than her rivals to say that she supports it, but adding her 'authority' to it. She's trying to ride the dragon.

What if there were numerous Rachel Dolezal copycats who were born white but changed their appearance and "identified" as black? Would Labour say "yes of course you are, and when anyone claims you're faking it, we'll denounce them as a hate group"?

If she hadn't signed, she would have been vilified as a terf, and her leadership chances would have been destroyed. It's as simple as that. I actually got the impression she signed under duress

That’s even more depressing than the idiots who signed it willingly. Or are the idiots worse than the coward? God, what a miserable set of options.

ET's handling of this was dire. I was watching Newsnight, live. She said she hadn't signed the pledge. As soon as the programme ended I went to Twitter to read comments. Second tweet that I saw was ET saying she had signed the pledge and her ridiculous, chiding statement.

I am extremely angered by Labour. I'm no longer a member and for the first time in 40 years, I didn't vote for them at the last election.
Politically homeless and so disappointed in Labour.
Am watching Victoria Derbyshire right now but the studio is full of 'Labour voters' so I can't see this issue even being raised except in a 'TWAW way and let's not forget to point out that anyone who denies it is a transphobe and FPUK is a hate group'.
I want to say that I find the Labour party ridiculous but it's more than that. Their attitude towards women is sinister.

You simply cannot formally declare an innocent group of feminists or an LGB group to be a "hate group", let alone SIGN YOUR NAME to it in a 'pledge' as a political leader

Barracker it really is incredible. What a bunch of craven, clueless sycophants....

What they need is our support and not a debate about their existence.

Oh ffs. Those supposed 'hate groups' aren't debating the existence of trans people. Afaik they're perfectly happy for trans people to be supported. Just not at the expense of women's rights and safety, not at the expense of vulnerable children.

It occurs to me that people who these woke idiots seem to think don't exist are the trans people such as Yardley and Hayton.

You simply cannot formally declare an innocent group of feminists or an LGB group to be a "hate group", let alone SIGN YOUR NAME to it in a 'pledge' as a political leader

Have any of these people read Catch 22 ?

She's not disagreeing with it. She's adding a bossy coda telling the TRAs to play nicely. This isn't a statement directed to women, it's a way of going even further than her rivals to say that she supports it, but adding her 'authority' to it. She's trying to ride the dragon.

I agree Poota.
And the brazen calculation to hold out signing until just after the leadership debate so that she could first do a bit of handwringing on tv.
Still, she has just made herself look like one of those people who will sign anything.

The pledge is based on the ideology spelled out in this article by Torr Robinson: tribunemag.co.uk/2020/02/the-labour-campaign-for-trans-rights

It's full of divisive rhetoric - "mass education", "trans power" and accuses lots of people of being bigoted transphobes, or supporting transphobes.

Very much the starting point for calm, rational debate.

I wonder if Robinson has any awareness of the position (s)he is putting Labour in, and the damage (s)he is doing.

Labour seems completely signed up to the version of identity politics where groups for women or LGB people exist to control them. The smothering of the LGB Alliance shows that lesbians, gays and bisexuals who disagree with the party line - which comes from the corporate sponsored Stonewall - are simply not welcome. How many other organisations will be stamped on? Grassroots organisations are no longer required now there are charities with corporate money to look after their interests.

Oh no - I didn't realise this isn't just a leadership thing but a whole new Labour Party campaign. The Labour Campaign for Trans Rights. They just haven't alienated enough voters yet, have they?

I got a leaflet through the post this morning asking me to join Racists for England by signing their pledge. Their pledge is that people who are white should be elevated automatically and their views and feelings considered first against people that aren’t white.

I’m not racist and don’t agree with their views but I’m thinking about signing it anyway and expect non-racists to understand why I did and then we can all come together and discuss. Do you think this is a good idea or a bad idea? (If it makes a difference, I’m looking to run the country).

Emily Thornberry said she hadn’t signed as she was worried about the term hate, according to the Guardian:

“ Thornberry said she had refused to sign it. “I have not signed it because I was was worried about it because it talks about hate,” the shadow foreign secretary told Newsnight.”

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/13/labour-leadership-contenders-split-over-trans-group-pledge-card