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Is the tide about to turn in France? Trigger warning paedophilia referencess

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EwwSprouts · 11/02/2020 13:05

Brave of Ms Springora to stand up so publicly against the French establishment. Hope she is widely heard.

Article is a close look at the culture, power and society that had no thought of the victims whatsoever.
www.nytimes.com/2020/02/11/world/europe/gbriel-matzneff-pedophilia-france.html

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OneEpisode · 11/02/2020 15:02

It’s Gabriel. Not gbriel
Then the link works. And he is worse even than Epstein?

Languishingfemale · 11/02/2020 15:10

That's an awful story. And a very telling tale of how easy it is for predatory males to hide in plain sight and be lauded and empowered by rich and powerful men (alongside some useful idiot women) - just as we are seeing in this country at present.

Mockersisrightasusual · 11/02/2020 15:34

France was the bolt-hole of choice for the vile David Hamilton, third rate 'photographer' and child rapist who died an appropriately sad and lonely death, but otherwise got away with it all.

EwwSprouts · 11/02/2020 15:41

Sorry the link was a cut & paste so NYT must have changed it.
www.nytimes.com/2020/02/11/world/europe/gabriel-matzneff-pedophilia-france.html

Agree it's horrific. I take a small glimmer of hope that her book got a publisher and it's been picked up by an international paper.

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OneEpisode · 11/02/2020 15:44

Thank you Op!

andyoldlabour · 11/02/2020 15:53

I think we would be shocked if we really knew what was going on in our own establishment, but this was truly shocking, because it was so open, no attempt to hide it and the guy is so arrogant.
The article has an obvious mistake in it though, which I spotted immediately.

"Sometimes, I’ll have as many as four boys — from 8 to 14 years old — in my bed at the same time, and I’ll engage in the most exquisite lovemaking with them,” he wrote in his diaries, “Un Galop d’Enfer,” or “Racing Forward,” published in 1985."

The title doesn't mean "Racing forward", because that would be "Un Galop Avancer". The word "Enfer" can mean Hell, or sometimes "amazing, awesome, wild"

offqc.com/2011/01/26/informal-meaning-enfer-french/

Thelnebriati · 11/02/2020 18:47

So in that context its a vile pun with multiple meanings, some of which are insulting to his victims.

BrainFart · 11/02/2020 22:00

*The article has an obvious mistake in it though, which I spotted immediately.

"Sometimes, I’ll have as many as four boys — from 8 to 14 years old — in my bed at the same time, and I’ll engage in the most exquisite lovemaking with them,” he wrote in his diaries, “Un Galop d’Enfer,” or “Racing Forward,” published in 1985."

The title doesn't mean "Racing forward", because that would be "Un Galop Avancer". The word "Enfer" can mean Hell, or sometimes "amazing, awesome, wild"*

The titles of creative works don't necessarily get translated directly. I would suspect that "Racing Forward" was the title of the release in Anglophone countries.

Also, "Un Galop Avancer" does not make any sense in French.

ArranUpsideDown · 11/02/2020 23:14

I’ll engage in the most exquisite lovemaking with them,”

I'd have thought the obvious error here was that the writer should have written rape/abuse of vulnerable children

Sugarcoma · 12/02/2020 05:47

Am I the only one who read that NYT piece as downright sympathetic to him?! Not even a mention of what was actually in Vanessa Springera's book and lots of rhetoric about the poor paedophile and how sad and lonely he is. What the actual fuck?

Oblomov20 · 12/02/2020 07:13

Agreed Coma. Sympathetic article. Which is even more shocking.

"Sometimes, I’ll have as many as four boys — from 8 to 14 years old — in my bed at the same time, and I’ll engage in the most exquisite lovemaking with them,” he wrote in his diaries, "

Disgusting. The cover yo and not being held accountable is even more disgraceful .

EwwSprouts · 12/02/2020 10:36

I don't think it is intended to be sympathetic but it does show the wallowing self-pity & utter lack of remorse of the man. The title boldly says Pedophile.

I think the journalist has just used more circumspect language than British tabloids would have taken.
"But now Mr. Matzneff and his backers are being held to account by a new movement: the freeing of female voices long suppressed by powerful men."
"Mr. Matzneff’s fall, if late in coming, was swift."
and the last words quoted to finish the article go to Ms Springora.

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