"Review ordered into rules on child gender transition"

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In the Times today:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/9fd61a26-4b67-11ea-b112-75acb94b3417?shareToken=54c4ca4370348bd0d159acfd39d65d06

It sounds good but I predict the outcome will either never be published, fall far short of what's needed and will of course miss the point, why are we telling children they're the wrong sex rather than stamping out gender roles?
Hope I am wrong.

They are reviewing the present rules on treatment before the court case being brought. Probably hoping to cover their backs with pro-trans doctors' 'expert' advice on the subject so they don't get slammed in a court case which I would think would be more likely to sympathise with the victim.

It’s a start but I don’t think it goes far enough. It restricts the review to children whose parents do not provide consent the treatment. If they do provide consent does that mean it’s OK to prescribe to children?

The clinicians who resigned from Tavistock stated that some parents appeared to be homophobic and believed the trans mantra rather than they may have a gay child. Are these children not to be similarly protected? It also does not seem to cover whether or not a child can give informed consent in this instance.

It is shocking that it has taken a privately funded judicial review to get this review started. Thank you Keira for your courage in doing this.

What @StealthPolarBear said

We've been here before. Suddenly stuff disappears or is un usable or is dropped and no one ever answers the questions as to what's happening.

I hope this is different but there is too much riding in it for anything other than glowing positive verdicts coming out of it.

I would like nothing more than to be proven wrong

Yes, very shocking that members of the public have to shame the state into doing its job of ensuring safeguarding measures are in place, but sadly not surprising 😡. Talking of which, they say more digging is urgently needed.

I fond myself wondering whether they’re hoping to do just enough to get rid of the litigation, which is likely to draw a huge amount of unwanted attention to the entirety of the trans cause.

First investigate the lobby groups and halt big business support of them (which is what a decent business would do if a question mark is hanging over a ‘charity’).

Standwithyou is right. One of the GIDS whistleblowers also suspected that one of their cases was a paedophile parent encouraging transition. The creation of young adults of legal age of consent but with childlike bodies is a horrifying facet.

Oh fuck that's a new one. But you're absolutely right, some men are attracted to pre pubescent children. And here's a way to keep them that way

I had seen this on twitter as a theory - not necessarily parental coercion but creepy guys.

One of the GIDS whistleblowers also suspected that one of their cases was a paedophile parent encouraging transition.

Yes that was what absolutely shook me to the core. With GNC Ben's Boyce interview about coercion in the TG community and the Challenor case, I don't doubt that this is an issue.

I'm with stealthpolarbear too.

This is when I miss Lang the most.

One of the GIDS whistleblowers also suspected that one of their cases was a paedophile parent encouraging transition. The creation of young adults of legal age of consent but with childlike bodies is a horrifying facet

Unfortunately this is another in the ever increasing list of what " never happens"

I dread to think how many posters we have lost or who has been booted off twitter for saying it. Just like those who warned that paedos will start showing their faces. And then lo and behold the MAP explosion.

I still think they find it preferable to admitting women were right though. That's how far they will go .

Criticism of WPATH and contrast with NICE is interesting. I think the UK should develop its own guidelines a collaboration with the RCPCH, BPS, RCPSYCH and NICE.

GNC Ben's Boyce interview about coercion in the TG community

That was horrendous. That's not an adverse comment on either of them but wholly my reaction to the information that was revealed. I've been uneasy about the narrative about the primacy of consent in BDSM/kink since reading a dissenting account about adults. GNC's experience as a teenager only served to increase that manyfold.

GNC's realisation that the trans women in their groups claimed hierarchy in the pyramid of oppression and were constantly telling GNC and trans boys to listen from their 'position of privilege'. Remarkable.

Kudos to GNC as an interviewee - so clear. And I was moved by the realisation that their dysphoria could never be resolved by medical or surgical intervention.

And then lo and behold the MAP explosion.

Again, the GNC interview where they discuss GNC's surprise that nobody ever intervened as an under-age teen and a much older person engaged in sexualised talk on Twitter and then 'obviously disappeared into their DMs for more.'

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Note that Ben says that if she'd heard of the term safeguarding when growing up, it would have helped her enormously.

(I'm not sure if it's in this interview or the one with Thomasin who is a British lesbian who was on the cusp of beginning hormones and surgery via GIDs clinics before realising the harm of the ideology she'd been led down.)

What I find chilling from Thomasin's account is that her experiences of GIDS is that "if you ask for it, you get it."

Clinicians didn't seem 100% sure about her and yet as she was persistent, she was given the pathway. When moving onto the adult services, there appeared to be much less gatekeeping.

It strikes me that clinicians increasingly aren't able to say no. And yet they certainly used to as a child I taught who was seen by GIDs was helped to see that he was GNC and happy with his body, possibly gay.

Thomasin describes being coached by the online trans community in how to answer certain questions at the clinics.

Criticism of WPATH and contrast with NICE is interesting.

One of the things which is striking is the capture of officially recognised organisations by bodies which have no official standing and are entirely unregulated.

When the NHS follows the lead of an unregulated organisation such as WPATH, the Scottish Government cites Yogyakarta as 'international best practice', and organisations are falling over themselves for Stonewall's approval, it's obvious that government bodies which should be carefully checking where their information comes from have been captured by what are effectively lobby groups.

Coming back to this...

One of the GIDS whistleblowers also suspected that one of their cases was a paedophile parent encouraging transition. The creation of young adults of legal age of consent but with childlike bodies is a horrifying facet

Tweet by Charlie Evans today:

twitter.com/charlie_sci/status/1226704893848825856?s=21

@ArranUpsideDown - ive only watched half of the video you linked to, but hearing about the dynamics within the trans community is fascinating.

Women outside of the trans-clique are told to shut up by men who hold the privilege, transmen inside the clique are told to shut up by transwomen because allegedly now they're the privileged ones...

Same shit, different pronouns.

I cant think of any other senario where people would so opnly dismiss red flags.

No one would kick lesbians out of a talk for asking whether kids should be in nightclubs having money thrown at them if it didbt have the gender subject attached.

I'm.sure I read on here recently that groupies for the disabled have a large age range 12-25 or something to account for mental development or lack of in some mentally disabled individuals but that lgbt groups/activities use similar age ranges but obviously theres a massive power difference and people should be questioning it more but they dont.

Bloody hell, poor Charlie! I already thought she'd been put through hell, but had no idea she went through it all in that context too.

Over and over again, women have said 'but the logical consequences will be....' and been variously told they're silly/ bigoted/ ignored/ patronised/ threatened. I'm drafting a letter (another one) to my MP at the moment, pointing out that everything, every single thing that I warned him two years ago was heading fast down the track has now happened, plus worse for women and children. While twits like him stand around muttering 'well it's complicated'.

No. Child safeguarding isn't fucking complicated.

Just hope to God this isn't another case of 'review' meaning 'get Stonewall and Mermaids to write something'. Because if they chicken out of addressing this properly now, they will be forced do it sooner or later, and it will make them look even more culpable and compromised than they already are.