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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

He was Spartacus

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Freespeecher · 06/02/2020 07:50

RIP Kirk Douglas, who's left us at 103. Wonder if he knew that he (or at least his character) got such frequent mentions on Mumsnet?

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pachyderm · 06/02/2020 07:52

Not much of a feminist though if you remember all the rape allegationsAngry

Cwenthryth · 06/02/2020 07:56

I know he played the character Spartacus on screen, but I can’t see him being fondly eulogised on a women’s rights forum seeing as he is widely alleged to be a rapist, sadly.
Although there is a poetry to women taking the character played by him and turning it into our own fight back against women being silenced.

Freespeecher · 06/02/2020 08:02

Ah, did not know that.

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Cwenthryth · 06/02/2020 08:23

It’s still pretty appropriate to discuss the feelings that his death stirs up though, I think. It is difficult for many women, especially those of us who have been victims of sexual assault, to hear people like this celebrated, although clearly it isn’t a simple issue - he is still someone’s father, grandfather, friend etc, and so widely known for his work and links to so many other Hollywood ‘greats’ of a previous era that is now romanticised, but looking at it through a post-me-too lens was probably a very different environment for women to what we might have hoped.

OvaltinaTurner · 06/02/2020 13:13

Natalie's sister Lana spoke of the rape on a podcast and daughter Natasha Gregson Warner was thought to have confided in Robert Downey Junior.
Wiki has been editing Natalie's entry today.

Suzanne Finstad's 2001 biography of Wood alleges that she was raped by a powerful actor when she was 16. Through the recollection of Wood's close friends, which included late actors Scott Marlowe and Dennis Hopper, Finstad summarizes:

Though her five close friends' memories of some details or timing differ after forty-five years, the essence of what each recalls Natalie confiding to them is the same: that the same married film star lured or tricked Natalie, raped her so brutally she was physically injured, and she was too frightened or intimidated to report it to the police. Natalie "hated" her former screen idol afterwards, "shuddering" if she heard his name. She would keep the horrible secret, and behave as if nothing happened whenever their paths intersected, too schooled by Mud [her mother] in the politics of Hollywood to cross a powerful movie star.

In 2018, Lana Wood said during a 12-part podcast about Wood's life that the attack occurred inside the Chateau Marmont during an audition and went on "for hours". According to professor Cynthia Lucia who studied the attack, Wood's rape was quite brutal and violent.

So some entitled old white dude reaches the ripe age of 103 without ever being investigated for alleged crimes of his youth while being lauded as a legend ary rapist
I'll pass. And the Oscars would do well to mention him on the list of departed but not give him his own special fanfare if they have any sense.

It is Kobe Bryant all over again - adulation and eulogies all over whilst passing over reporting well established allegations from their past because we are schooled not to speak ill of the dead. Kirk's autobiography shows how how he treated women. Yes it does make MNetters' adoption of the moniker Spartacus ironic.

ArranUpsideDown · 06/02/2020 14:04

Julie Bindel's thread on Natalie Wood and Kirk Douglas:

twitter.com/bindelj/status/1225401020408324097

It sounds horribly akin to the comparable scene of the rape of an underage girl with her mother's complicity in a novel that I remember from a long time ago. (The young character's name was Star?)

Cwenthryth · 06/02/2020 14:42

Heartwarming that #NatalieWood was trending on Twitter above Kirk Douglas. Lots of photos being shared of her, and her story is being talked about by tens of thousands of people.

Yet I did come across some rather nasty tweets complaining about ‘white feminists’ not calling out Kirk Douglas enough apparently.

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