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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Judicial review of Oxford CC’s trans inclusion policy

27 replies

Coldhandscoldheart · 06/02/2020 06:14

DM link unfortunately, can’t find it elsewhere (well not on bbc or grauniad unsurprisingly)
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7971457/Girl-13-launches-High-Court-fight-block-councils-advice-trans-pupils.html
Might be worth a watch.

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BovaryX · 06/02/2020 06:25

teenage girl has applied for judicial review over official school guidance that says she should share changing rooms, lavatories and residential dormitories with trans girls, in the first legal action of its kind. The 13-year-old, known only as Miss A, says that Oxfordshire County Council’s ‘Trans Inclusion Toolkit for Schools 2019’ is seriously flawed and poses a risk to children.

It is also being reported in The Telegraph. Please don't apologise for linking to the DM. The papers which refuse to report news which conflicts with their narrow political ideology are the links which require apologies.

RuffleCrow · 06/02/2020 06:27

Wonderful. More power to her. StarStarStar

SarahTancredi · 06/02/2020 07:12

Good luck! You have so many people on your side Flowers

ItsLateHumpty · 06/02/2020 07:28

Wow - she's (properly) brave. All power to her Star

Dozer · 06/02/2020 07:30

Wow, brave young woman.

Aroundtheworldin80moves · 06/02/2020 07:30

Good for her. She has as much right to be allowed to change/sleep in a single Sex environment as a trans student has to a single gender one. If a couple of close friends chose to share with the trans student- fine. But it shouldn't be forced.

I think the writers of these guidelines have lost sight of why such things are segregated in the first place.

Aesopfable · 06/02/2020 07:39

She has as much right to be allowed to change/sleep in a single Sex environment as a trans student has to a single gender one.

The trans student has the right to be treated respectfully with privacy and dignity but there is no right to single gender environments - the law only allows for single sex environments.

Natsku · 06/02/2020 07:45

Good luck to her!

niceberg · 06/02/2020 07:49

Amazing, will be watching with bated breath though.

ChattyLion · 06/02/2020 07:56

It’s really something when young kids have to take these measures to protect themselves and their female friends. Where are the adults who care about safeguarding? Whose jobs it is to ensure this.

ScrimshawTheSecond · 06/02/2020 09:13

Wow. I'm in awe. Brave girl, I hope she has lots of support and protective people around her.

EHopes · 06/02/2020 09:17

^^

What they said.

Hoping that the legal challenges will come thick and fast over 2020.

Brave girl. I hope she's surrounded by a wonderful team.

happydappy2 · 06/02/2020 09:19

And the council utterly refutes suggestions it is failing to safeguard children.

I wonder who exactly made that claim because they are lying.

AnyOldSpartabix · 06/02/2020 09:33

I’m glad to see people are beginning to challenge many aspects of this through the court system. I hope that the judiciary remains logical and upholds women’s rights. These court cases and judicial reviews may be a crucial turning point.

2fallsagain · 06/02/2020 10:10

Thanks for starting a thread. It has been reported int he Oxford mail as well as the Telegraph and the Daily Mail. We are are getting a lot of engagement on our twitter today too.

www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/18213788.oxfordshire-girl-seeks-judicial-review-trans-toolkit/

(typical comments from oh so woke Oxford sadly. I can't even post this in the Oxford community facebook page because even posting news about a court case is deemed "transphobic".

twitter.com/SafeSchools_UK

doritosdip · 06/02/2020 10:17

I've seen this on LBC News

www.lbcnews.co.uk/uk-news/trans-inclusion-toolkit-court-case-girl/

Good luck to the girl. It's very brave and very needed action

eurochick · 06/02/2020 10:22

Good. I'd be interested to know who's behind it. Hopefully it is one of the groups doing good work in this area.

2fallsagain · 06/02/2020 10:28

Eurochick, Safe Schools Alliance is supporting the 13 year old girl. They have been challenging Oxfordshire for over a year.

OldCrone · 06/02/2020 10:34

Tracy from Safe Schools Alliance talking to Posie. She talks about this case.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3810003-Posie-talks-to-Safe-Schools-Alliance

FebruaryRainandSleet · 06/02/2020 10:36

If a couple of close friends chose to share with the trans student- fine

Is it? What if one of them is very close -- in a relationship? What is it about being opposite-sex-but-same-gender that makes that OK with the school, whereas a girl and boy saying 'Yes please miss, we'll share!' would set off alarm bells?

nonsenceagain · 06/02/2020 10:38

Please visits the Safe Schools Alliance website for more information about the case and about how you can help.

OldCrone · 06/02/2020 10:40

Link to information about this case.

safeschoolsallianceuk.net/legal-action/

SarahTancredi · 06/02/2020 10:42

Yy feb kids really shouldn't be put in that position. They may well think they are "ok" with it and they will be until the second they realise they arent "ok" with it. Then where do they go and what do they do.

Adults need to be adults. Even if that means kids are angry with us or they dont understand at that moment. Thats part if being responsible for children. We make the difficult decisions and we take the hit

Effzeh · 06/02/2020 10:46

If a couple of close friends chose to share with the trans student- fine. But it shouldn't be forced.

It's not fine! As pp pointed out, a girl and a boy asking to share would be given extremely short shrift, whether in a dorm or a private room, because everybody understands that the adults supervising a school trip have a responsibility to minimise the opportunities for inappropriate behaviour, including sex. And yes, obviously, two lesbian girls could have sex in the dorm on a school trip, but at least there's no risk of pregnancy in that scenario.

The disconnect involved in thinking that it's somehow okay for two unrelated opposite sex children or teenagers to share a room in a residential setting just because one of them identifies as trans is just boggling.