Rebecca Long Bailey: No debate, self id should be made law

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with Michael Walker, who I really rate, btw -- clearly miles ahead of the others at Novara and always worth listening to.

I am, ridiculously, saddened by this.

I wonder if anyone ever writes back with a list of the reasons why they won't be returning.

Well sure, I mean there is a debate here in my 'red wall' Northern town. It's a hot topic - all the women I know talk about it. But we keep quiet around political people because you don't know what they might do. Nobody wants to get 'fired on Twitter' or whatever (not very likely, but you know what I mean). But I know quite a few women in/supporters of Momentum and in private they are all against self-id --though some of them support self-id for kids, which I find incoherent but maybe if we could talk about it more I'd understand where they were coming from more.

Silly cow.

Rebecca Long Bailey - "My crusade to make Labour unelectable ", this is a series where the title remains the same, but the author changes.

Here is where Labour lost seats in the election, if they cannot see the reason then they shouldn't be playing at politics.

labourlist.org/2019/12/the-60-seats-labour-lost-in-the-2019-general-election/

Meh.

It’s hardly a surprise, and unlikely to actually mean anything since Labour have made themselves unelectable for at least another decade.

Did anyone see that staffer from Elizabeth Warren’s campaign who was secretly recorded? Some of them know fine rightly that this isn’t a vote winner, that chasing a tiny minority (who, shocker, were already going to vote left anyway) isn’t going to win elections like education, healthcare and housing does.

I strongly suspect Labour are just tanking it now. Like the Greens did. Why else would they shoot themselves in the foot like that? They may as well say 'I kick kittens for fun'.

So like a political version of The Producers, Lordfrontpaw?

Can’t wait to hear It’s Springtime for TERFs sung by Dr Harrop.

Rebecca Wrong-Daily's idiocy is cringeworthy.

Clueless and consigning Labour to yet more wilderness years for trying to court the woke vote. It won't be enough, it is never enough.

@TerribleCustomerCervix well I was thinking more of 30 Rock but yes, that's the idea!

No wonder decent people ignore Mumsnet

It’s the biggest parenting site in the UK, a successful women-centered business and is courted by politicians from every political party for every election.

But do go on.

Yeah, it's not like the MN feminism board gets millions of visitors or anything...

They don’t want real power to govern and having to make hard decisions, much easier life to be student protester types in opposition, virtue signalling and standing up for as many victims as they can find. That’s why They are holding onto identity politics, they would lack purpose otherwise.

I really believe this. Its the only explanation for how they can be so utterly shite and tone deaf to the general public, not just on identity politics but on everything. They don't actually want power because then they will have to actually make the tough decisions rather than just virtue signalling.

I think her argument can essentially be summed up as waaaaaaah.

It's not as if we've had the debate and need to move on. What other areas of policy could you propose this?

Fracking - No Debate
HS2 - No Debate
Slaughter of the First Born - No Debate

Eglwysfach

Just in case you missed it, the Labour party were destroyed at the last election, because they had lost touch with their core voters, ordinary people like myself and many others on this forum.
Mind you, the self destruction started a while back, in the latter years of Blair and then Brown - remember him referring to "that bigoted woman" as he visited the traditional Labour heartlands of the North.

STOP TALKING ABOUT IT YOU DISGUSTING PEOPLE!

YOU'VE BEEN TOLD TO STOP!

That’s it @Eglwysfach, that’s the way to get people to come back to Labour. “You’re big fat meanies if you don’t vote Labour”. Very sophisticated political discourse there. Slow handclap for you and the rest of the Momentum ostriches.

😂😂😂😎

Where my common decency. Fuck knows.

@Eglwysfach - worrying about how law and policy being upended, at women's expense, to better suit natal males - how could any decent feminist protest?

The move towards a consumerist understanding of gender, and the conflation of gender with sex, poses an existential threat to women's rights, because if you can't define what a woman is then protections are in name only, and all single sex provision, protection, competition and recognition disappears. That's the reality of what all of this means, as increasing numbers of people are realising. And you know what an intelligent person does, when confronted with overwhelming evidence disproving their position? They change their mind. That's what most of us did, because most of us started out where you are, and researched this at all to prove gender critical women wrong. They were not wrong. Hence the focus on 'NoDebate and no-platforming. Once the discussion is open, extremist gender ideology falls apart, because it is not supported by empirical fact. I would suggest that you engage in good faith, and have the conversation, instead of lecturing and hectoring. The facts may surprise you.

If your idea of 'decency' is for women to be threatened with rape and murder, and abused, and silenced, when they try to talk about what altering the very definition of 'woman' may mean in law and practice, then may I suggest you re-examine your allegiances?

There is nothing left wing about an individualist conception of only a pick'n'mix gender having validity, and the erasure of sex - and with that, the fact that every single human being ever to exist at all did so solely because of the huge amount of reproductive labour undertaken by a woman, and that women all around the world suffer extreme violence, abuse, and oppression solely because of that biological sex. That reinforces male privilege, and removes any capacity to discuss and recognise structural oppression based on sex. It's the most neo-liberal perspective imaginable. And you say women here lack decency, and leftwing concern for other people!

They don’t want real power to govern and having to make hard decisions, much easier life to be student protester types in opposition, virtue signalling and standing up for as many victims as they can find. That’s why They are holding onto identity politics, they would lack purpose otherwise.

Unfortunately, I think this is true.

Also, sorry, sorry for talking about women's rights. I just. Can't. Seem. To. Stop. I know it's wrong. I shall hie myself to the cunty gulag forthwith.

Oh FFS Labour. We need a proper opposition.