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Ian Paterson recall of 11,000 patients

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smileylottie87 · 04/02/2020 12:54

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-birmingham-51369881

Patients were let down at every level and they are investigating 23 potential deaths caused by him.

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Lowhum · 04/02/2020 12:59

I have been following this story and it is horrifying.

littlbrowndog · 04/02/2020 13:01

The opening words of the Paterson inquiry are striking. The chair, Rt Revd Graham James, says this was "far worse" than simply a story about a rogue surgeon though that itself was tragic.
He says the healthcare system was dysfunctional at every level when it came to keeping patients safe. And this was less than a decade ago.

Just bloody awful

smileylottie87 · 04/02/2020 13:03

I can't believe it, I genuinely don't understand what would drive someone to do this. Why perform the unnecessary surgeries?

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littlbrowndog · 04/02/2020 13:03

Women’s life’s changed for ever. Told they had breast cancer.

How can a surgeon do this and no one was brave enough to say something

littlbrowndog · 04/02/2020 13:07

A few must have known

Just so shocking

jadefinch · 04/02/2020 13:07

According to the reports there was (and clearly still is) a culture in the NHS of not believing that a doctor could be causing so much harm to patients.

It's precisely that culture that's led to Harrop and Webberley still being allowed to practice (albeit Webberley now operates from Spain and Harrop is talking about emigrating).

smileylottie87 · 04/02/2020 13:07

"Many simply avoided or worked round him. Some could have known, while others should have known, and a few must have known."

Anyone who did know should also face charges in my opinion and certainly never work as a medical professional ever again. How will these women ever be able to trust a doctor again?

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EcocabbyRickShaw · 04/02/2020 13:11

In a previous life I worked at one of the hospitals where it happened, and with some of the patients who had been affected.

This consultant was a bully - staff were terrified of him and didn't dare challenge him. Some did try, I believe. (He wasn't there for very long after I started and I didn't have any direct dealings myself). With hindsight it's really hard to see how one man could have been accorded such power, and not just at one hospital, but several, private and NHS.

littlbrowndog · 04/02/2020 13:14

I don’t understand why he would do such things.

Why was people so frightened by him

littlbrowndog · 04/02/2020 13:14

Were not was

smileylottie87 · 04/02/2020 13:14

Also please excuse my error in the OP, I meant 23 deaths potentially caused by him, not 23 potential deaths.

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ZuttZeVootEeeVro · 04/02/2020 13:14

Patients were let down by the healthcare system "at every level" said inquiry chair Rt Revd Graham James, who identified "multiple individual and organisational failures".

"There was a culture of avoidance and denial, an alarming loss of corporate memory and an offloading of responsibility at every level," he said.

This didn't happen because of one egotistical surgeon, it was a failure by lots of different people in lots of roles.

My heart goes out to the people affected.

FrogsFrogs · 04/02/2020 13:16

This case is utterly appalling thank you for posting the update I hadn't seen it.

BovaryX · 04/02/2020 13:19

Patients were let down by the healthcare system "at every level" said inquiry chair Rt Revd Graham James, who identified "multiple individual and organisational failures"."There was a culture of avoidance and denial, an alarming loss of corporate memory and an offloading of responsibility at every level," he said

Report after report finds the same problems. That the institutional culture of the NHS is flawed, that patients are not the priority, and that complaints against medical staff are not taken seriously.

AFistfulofDolores1 · 04/02/2020 13:20

I can't believe it, I genuinely don't understand what would drive someone to do this. Why perform the unnecessary surgeries?

I'm not exonerating him at all when I say this, but I am certain it will be a form of mental illness - and probably a complex one at that.

jadefinch · 04/02/2020 13:22

Some men are psychopaths. Some doctors are psychopaths. And some psychopaths REALLY hate women.

VortexofBloggery · 04/02/2020 13:23

Sickening. The "cleavage sparing" surgeries, that left tissue behind which caused deaths! What the fuck? I've had breast surgery, never heard anything like it. They take your nipples to be sure. Not enough opportunities for a second opinion in the NHS. You get what you're given and that's that. My sympathies to the women who were stuck with him.

VortexofBloggery · 04/02/2020 13:25

Narcissistic God complex in a stupid man. There, diagnosed.

smileylottie87 · 04/02/2020 13:35

There could be some form of mental illness involved, it's just not what I inferred from that article.

I wonder what his incidence rate was in comparison to other doctors and what prompted the independent inquiry in the first place.

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FrogsFrogs · 04/02/2020 13:54

Why mental illness

Rather than a man with a lot of power who did what he pleased

AFistfulofDolores1 · 04/02/2020 14:12

Why are those two things mutually exclusive in your mind, @FrogsFrogs.

Psychopathy/sociopathy is a mental illness - and describes a lot of men with a lot of power who do what they please. As I was clear to point out, it in no way exonerates him. But what he did is not on the scale of normal behaviour.

AFistfulofDolores1 · 04/02/2020 14:15

What is clear to me is that he hates women, and that hate has been acted in out in a manner that not only brings them mental and physical anguish, but also desecrates their bodies - more specifically a part of the body that is synonymous with 'mother' and nourishment.

ArranUpsideDown · 04/02/2020 14:42

He says the healthcare system was dysfunctional at every level when it came to keeping patients safe. And this was less than a decade ago.

Just to say that Shaun Lintern has been dogged about pursuing stories relating to patient safety and some of the stories he's revealed (maternity units etc.) have been a complete heartbreak. He was formerly with the HSJ but now at The Independent and he's outstanding.

twitter.com/ShaunLintern/status/1224624880953544704?

FrogsFrogs · 04/02/2020 14:45

Making excuses for men who abuse women is a distraction

Lots of mentally ill people don't hurt anyone
Throughout human history awful things have been done by 'normal' people

FrogsFrogs · 04/02/2020 14:46

Not saying people with mhps aren't normal hence the quotes! Hope my meaning is clear.

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