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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

3 years jail for 25 years of stalking

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Gingernaut · 03/02/2020 17:09

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-51360102

Emily Maitlis' stalker has been jailed again.

25 years of abuse, multiple court appearances and only recently jailed.

Does the criminal justice system take stalking seriously at all?

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Lowhum · 04/02/2020 13:19

I can’t imagine how frightening this must be for people who are stalked.

I don’t know any men, but quite a few women who have been stalked and they felt as though they received very little support from the police.

I know one woman who didn’t tell anybody until the stalker’s behaviour had calmed down because she didn’t want to make a fuss.

littlbrowndog · 04/02/2020 13:32

3 years and he will be out sooner than that

25 years of stalking

Imagine having that on your mind all tha5 time

And he had previous court appearances

Gingernaut · 04/02/2020 13:34

The latest sentence was for attempting to contact her through her mother while he was already in prison.

Deterrent much?

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stillathing · 04/02/2020 13:38

I feel like what is missing here is an understanding of the added trauma of being a woman stalked by a man.

disclaimer I'm sure all incidences of stalking are horrible regardless of the sexes of the perpetrator and victim

However a woman always has extra to fear from a man due to the disparity in physical strength should he attack, the threat of rape and the potential to be made pregnant from rape. Even if a male stalker hasn't explicitly threatened rape or violence they have already overstepped a huge boundary. Overstepping of boundaries is sometimes the only way women can discern which males will be violent.

Isn't this what the idea of "hate crime" was originally supposed to help with? To recognise when being a victim of a crime came with added difficulties of structural inequalities that were reflected in the relationship between the perpetrator and the victim?

That misogyny is not considered a hate crime is (ironically) probably because the structural power imbalance between males and females is so deeply entrenched.

theflushedzebra · 04/02/2020 13:45

I read a long article about this (I think an interview with Maitliss herself) when he was last jailed, and I could only conclude that this guy had some sort of mental disorder.

He said in court that he would contact her again - that's why he was jailed the first time. He thinks he has a right to contact her, and that the courts have no right to stop him. He is completely obsessive - but whatever his problems, I think the system has completely failed the victim, Emily Maitliss. As usual.

dragonlangx · 04/02/2020 13:47

The judge said he feared their was no sign of this ending yet only three years. Guaranteed he will attempt to continue to stalk from prison and start straight back up when he is out
If the major effect is on a women's life then no it won't be taken seriously

BINtersectionalFeminism · 04/02/2020 16:01

Lily Allen said that when she spoke about her stalker to friends, the female ones who had experienced it agreed that the police had been rubbish and the male ones who had had similar said the police had been brilliant. Go figure.

heathspeedwell · 04/02/2020 16:53

I had a stalker for over a year. The first time he approached me it was very clear he was aroused by making me frightened.

When I called the police, the officer just laughed. But as it carried on, by a sheer stroke of luck, an officer got involved who explained that he had a daughter who looked a bit like me and so he was much more sympathetic.

One day a couple of my colleagues (who happened to be following me) cunningly used their phones to film my stalker harassing me. When he realised what they were doing, he lost it. Even though he had his two small children in the car, he repeatedly tried to mount the pavement and run us all down.

Apparently he was a respected member of the religious community. I doubt the police would have taken my word over his if we didn't have witnesses and video evidence.

ChattyLion · 04/02/2020 22:14

Heath that’s horrendous.Flowers

So women have a lack of legal justice, which is preceded by inadequate police protection relative to what men are given. What the fuck.

ParkheadParadise · 04/02/2020 22:21

The justice system in this country is a joke.
My Dd was murdered by her ex partner.
He brutally murdered her in tragic and upsetting circumstances.
He was known to the police, and had been violent to previous partners. He was a evil bastard.
He walked free on a NOT PROVEN verdict.

NigellaAwesome · 04/02/2020 22:28

ParkheadParadise Flowers Sad

I can't begin to imagine what you have been through.

heathspeedwell · 05/02/2020 13:24

So sorry for your loss Parkhead.

Tragic that we have a police force who will devote countless man hours to investigating non-crimes but violence against women is seen as an afterthought.

ChattyLion · 05/02/2020 20:39

ParkheadParadise I am so sorry for your loss. Flowers

slipperywhensparticus · 05/02/2020 20:42

Yet my ex is taken seriously when he reports that there is a tracking app on our sons phone with our sons permission because he thinks I'm doing it to track him...

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 06/02/2020 09:45

@ParkheadParadise, I've seen you mention your DD before and am so very sorry Flowers. It also makes me furious. One of the biggest global killers of women - if not the biggest - is men. And still it's not being taken seriously, and can't be, if 'rough sex' is seen to be a mitigating factor in the courts of law of the developed world. In 2020. It's shameful.

I'm a victim of rape (violent, at age 15, by 2 men) and also a victim of stalking (aged 17, for two years, by an ex). So I can speak from both perspectives. I've heard it said stalking is the psychological equivalent of rape, but at least that horrific event was over relatively quickly. Stalking is invasive, terrifying, allows you no peace and no privacy, and leaves you in a state of at least low-level stress ALL the time. It's the most horrific form of torture. When it peaked, he waited at the top of my street with a broken bottle (I saw him from a distance and used a back entrance), he climbed up to the window of my bedroom and looked in on me (woke up with his ugly mug peering at me through glass from about 3 feet away) and at its worst, he waited for me outside my workplace in his car and mounted the pavement, trying to run me over. I was truly, truly terrified. I really thought the bastard would end up killing me.

The police did nothing (this was before the landmark civil prosecution case in which Dr Robert Fine had his student apprehended for stalking - first UK legal use of that precise word). It only stopped when my father visited his family, told them the extent of the problem and detailed what events had taken place, said he was deeply concerned that their son had serious psychological problems and begged them to seek help for him. They might have done that, but this was when it stopped. But he's done it to other women since.

Women are perpetually put in this kind of danger and seemingly no one cares. Flowers to all who have suffered this particularly insidious form of abuse.

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