March of the thought police Harry Miller

[BovaryX]

There is a great article in the DM about Harry Miller's case. The article describes the CPS' pivotal role in pursuing hate incidents which are not crimes. It questions whether these investigations are a legitimate use of police resources when police are failing to investigate crimes like burglary and rape cases rarely reach prosecution. It discusses the inherently problematic nature of the subjective interpretation of non crime incidents and identifies the fact that police guidelines were influenced by transgender lobby groups. The fact that the police are spending time pursuing individuals on Twitter for crime non crimes should concern everyone concerned with freedom of speech and how it is being threatened by the new totalitarians.

^I have broad shoulders, but this fight is hard. If ordinary people like myself don't stand up against what I see as over-reaching authority by the police,
who will?^

It’s a very good article: good summarisation of several threads.

The suspense is getting to me...

This with bells on. I worry that the delay has some negative significance.

Oh Dear

I think these gentlemen are not being kind

(Warning: Pottymouth Alert)

Is this true that there are 900 police officers dealing with hate crime? Seriously?

I read the article, in particular the examples of what he had said.

In the past, people were regarded as being hateful because they would be propagating untruths about someone. Like some group have bird brains or are criminals

Now it seems telling the truth is hateful

Cracking article. Though I disagree that the content of the limeric is clearly offensive, or that 'offensive' actually matters. It's factually accurate. Transwomen who have had gender reassignment surgery do have breasts made of silicone. Their "vagina" is a surgically created space that does indeed go nowhere, and has to be prevented from healing itself - their own body recognises it as a wound that needs to close.

Being offended by facts does not mean facts are wrong.

I think Harry Miller's case is really interesting because he decided to challenge, rather than submit There is a growing backlash against cancel culture, denunciations and persecuting people for wrong think. In another Mail article, Trevor Phillips gives a robust defence of Alastair Stewart, whom he has known for years. He refutes accusations of racism as absurd and says Stewart was a staunch ally against the NF when they were at university. Meanwhile, in the Telegraph, another opinion piece takes aim at the corrosive culture of identity politics whose proponents demand submission and compliance:

Over the years, we have seen the rise of what Americans call “woke capitalism”, where private companies are infected by the madness that started taking hold in university campuses some time ago. Typically, there will be a zealous Human Resources department that decides to become a cultural police force..... And if you hate identity politics, best keep quiet. You risk being painted as a bigot and, in the era of moral panic, to be accused is to be guilty

Just have an image of the judge locked in a cellar being re-educated. He seems to be holding out, they can't keep him imprisoned much longer surely. I hope he doesn't crack.

There are some staggering statistics in that article.

900 hate crime officer in Scotland Yard alone.

87,000 hate incidents logged - none of which break the law. (So 87,000 people in the UK have a "non-crime hate incident" on their record?)

Scotland Yard have logged 9473 over the past 5yrs.

(Someone in the comments has done the maths. "So 900 police officers have statistically solved 2 hate crimes each per year according to the police figures? But mugging and burglary can't be investigated because we don't have enough officers." )

Meanwhile: The number of recorded crimes resulting in a person being charged or summonsed in England and Wales has halved in the past five years to just 7.8 per cent according to the latest Home Office statistics

And violent crime is on the rise, with offences involving knives rising from 41,000 to more than 44,000 in the 12 months to June 2019.

Great priorities there UK Police! I'm really pleased that you are prioritising non-crime so that nobody will be offended by a tweet.

Ameanstreak on the Expelled From Girl Guides thread

LangCleg Sun 04-Aug-19 11:33:19

Something I said once on another thread:

How did the scandal of TV entertainers grooming and exploiting children get so bad before anything was done?

How did the scandal of Catholic priests grooming and exploiting children get so bad before anything was done?

How did the scandal of on-street gangs grooming and exploiting children get so bad before anything was done?

Because if you create a sacred caste of any group and silence anyone asking questions about individuals on behalf of the sacred caste, abusers will see, infiltrate, and groom and exploit children. That''s how.

Just have an image of the judge locked in a cellar being re-educated. He seems to be holding out, they can't keep him imprisoned much longer surely. I hope he doesn't crack

I expect they are wading through every law book in the country desperately trying to find some ancient clause that no one knows about that will get them off the hook for what he knows he now has to do...

Thanks thesoesa

We should be focusing on what the public tell me they care about,' she said in November 2018, in response to the idea that London's hate crime units should expand their remit beyond the 2014 guidelines to include misogyny (ingrained prejudice against women).
The quote above from the article reporting Cressida Dick is telling. The idea that they include misogyny in the remit is not something the public care about apparently.

I don't think they are showing the judge the instruments of torture. More likely this is the backlog in the Christmas post and the Min of Justice photocopier running out of toner.

boaty is that article of Lang's still searchable on here, please, cos i had no joy with Google?

I think boaty is referring to a post which I can't find but I have a bit of copied:

LangCleg wrote Thu 21-Feb-19

"How did the scandal of TV entertainers grooming and exploiting children get so bad before anything was done?

How did the scandal of Catholic priests grooming and exploiting children get so bad before anything was done?

How did the scandal of on-street gangs grooming and exploiting children get so bad before anything was done?

Because if you create a sacred caste of any group and silence anyone asking questions about individuals on behalf of the sacred caste, abusers will see, infiltrate, and groom and exploit children. That''s how.”

I so fucking miss Lang Cleg, and I'm still angry about what was done to her, because she wasn't "kind" enough. I'd like the term "sacred caste" to become more common, it describes these types of situations so well. I wish the only sacred caste was children.

Someone in the comments has done the maths "So 900 police officers have statistically solved 2 hate crimes each per year according to the police figures? But mugging and burglary can't be investigated because we don't have enough officers"

Someone misread the article, no crimes were solved, the police officers logged 2 hate incidents each/year.

the police officers logged 2 hate incidents each/year

False. 87,000 non crime incidents have been logged Over 5 years.

Since the catch-all guidance was released, police forces have recorded at least 87,000 non-crime hate incidents — none of which break the law

The staggering statistic below is from The Telegraph

More than 87,000 ‘non-crime hate incidents’ have been recorded by 27 forces in England and Wales over the past five years, when the national policing body introduced its Hate Crime Operational Guidelines

But having encouraged people to report non hate incidents which they can use to boost their figures, police forces can then say that it is justified to divert resources into following them up. And that the new guidance going into schools is needed.

Another drip, drip, drip of forcing the point

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/01/05/police-forces-record-thousands-hate-incidents-year-even-though/

87,000 non crime incidents have been logged

But without any evidence that any of them actually happened.

But without any evidence that any of them actually happened

More to the point, these incidents are not crimes Why are the police investigating non crimes whilst failing to investigate actual crimes?

It's just so ludicrous. Report a non crime without need to give any evidence of whether it happened or not. Or tell a third party as in Harry's case.

Taking the issue to Judicial Review was very much needed to get this issue into the spotlight.

Non-Crime, but a Hate Incident.

Two things about a hate incident:

• There doesn't need to be any hate.
• There doesn't need to be any incident.

The "incident" is the reporting of the incident, which creates the thing it describes like a magical incantation.

It's just so ludicrous. Report a non crime without need to give any evidence of whether it happened or not. Or tell a third party as in Harry's case. Taking the issue to Judicial Review was very much needed to get this issue into the spotlight

Ludicrous is the word. The Telegraph obtained this information through a FOI request. The sub rosa tactics of lobbyists mean many people do not know what is happening. The media has been somnabulant and The Guardian et al don't even bother to report 'problematic' news. But Harry's case has caused parts of the fourth estate to wake up. About time.

Great posts Bovary