Sigh. Trying again. MNHQ what are we allowed to say about safeguarding ?

[Binterested]

Please

Drag queens have been in uk primary schools for a couple of years, in an effort to promote tolerance. Although how it encourages tolerance for anything other than for drag queens by small children escapes me.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5427565/Drag-Queen-read-stories-tolerance-children.html

What I did notice though was a common tactic to close down safeguarding talk (Tracy from SSA mentioned this red flag in her video with Posie yesterday)

Tracy Shaw from Safe Schools Alliance explains very clearly in this interview what Safeguarding issues are & how they are affecting every school.
Tracy also makes clear that to re-establish Safeguarding requires parents & carers to find out what is happening at their children's school & to start speaking up now.
SSA have many excellent resources to help & also need support in their case against Oxfordshire County Council which if successful will lead to all Local Authorities having to change policies.
"we are taking action because we believe the Oxfordshire Trans Inclusion Toolkit recommended to schools and educational settings is unlawful and damaging to children."
safeschoolsallianceuk.net/

www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNNYRUNeIjk&feature=youtu.be

Drag Queens have been doing story time since it was started by Tom Canham (in 2018, almost 2 years ago) a now 26/27 year old man from Bristol.

www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/parents-anger-over-drag-queens-1254111

In another article I remember reading the massive influx of applications to be a Tom received in a short period of time.

Drag Queens at libraries all over London.

I wonder what happens if a random person, not in drag, asks to do a reading for children slot at a library? Do they get enhanced DBS checks etc?

How often do kids run into drag queens? I didn't see any until I started clubbing.

Frequently. The Dragtime Storytime UK had been on tour for two years when this story appeared, performing some 50 shows around the UK and reaching about 8,000 children.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-somerset-46753018

The tour is also working with Islington Council to introduce a range of books for primary schools covering issues such as gender and sexual identity

Tomorrow, if you're interested, this Dragtime Storytime is taking place

www.so-cheshire.co.uk/crewe-lyceum-celebrates-lgbt-history-month-this-february/

Based in Leeds Mz Elle Toe is a female theme Queen

What is a female theme?

crewelyceum.co.uk/Online/tickets-drag-queen-storytelling-crewe-2020

Thank you to everyone for pointing out the drag queen reading sessions.

I should have copied the post I was responding to:
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It's interesting reading the comments, one person says they think the intent was to "humanise" drag queens so that kids aren't scared when they meet one in public.*

So my question should have been, when other than these storytimes would a child run into a drag queen. After all drag queens are performers, and often involves adult humour or highly sexualised performances.

I genuinely don't understand what the point of drag queens reading stories is meant to be.

Yes. Children need to be exposed to drag queens at story time so that they’re accepting of drag queens at story time, which prevents them from being confused by seeing drag queens at story time.

Alternatively, they could just be allowed to grow up and learn about drag queens as adults and have no issues with drag queens, like most people do.

I wonder why it is so hard to get clarification from Mumsnet, a parenting website, about what's off limits with this topic

Its because, as a site, they are reactive not proactive

I'm talking about breast binding on another thread.

I talk about self harm on that thread in the context of child safeguarding.

Expecting thread to just disappear again.

Alternatively, they could just be allowed to grow up and learn about drag queens as adults and have no issues with drag queens, like most people do.

I mostly agree but to explain where I don't I'd be veering off what this thread is about (safeguarding) and going into more a critique of drag as an art form/performance.

I'll save it until next time there is a thread on that topic.

To clarify on the story time thing: are men doing story time sessions in libraries dressed in drag?

Yes.

I just can't get my head around that. Completely unnecessary. Why can't men just read stories dressed like men or, alternatively, get women to read stories?

You can tell me once @MNHQ confirm what you're allowed to say

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I’m reading about purity spirals at the moment here and elsewhere. It seems to be the case that everyone knows exactly what they think but no one says it out loud for fear of being the only one.

Here it seems I know and you know and we both know that the other one knows and also knows that we know. But we can’t say what we know.

This is exactly why we need LangCleg back.

I don't see dressed in drag to mean the same as dressed as a woman to be fair. ( comment saying man dressed as man or get a woman to read )

If it was just dressed as a women I don't see any real reason to object. Why should the clothes you are allowed to wear be determined by sex?

Drag to me does imply some kind of extreme, some kind of point making, some kind of make believe dressing up , deliberate wanting to be causing a reaction...

If it was just dressed as a women I don't see any real reason to object. Why should the clothes you are allowed to wear be determined

Quite.

My dislike of drag is because it is a parody of women tbh. Way OTT 'glamour' and constant misogyny, from what I have seen.

Its definitely not something kids should be into though. I mean, the makeup side of it and that, fair enough, if boys want to wear makeup who cares. But drag seems to be overly sexual. Not really a hobby I would want my son getting into. Especially when it results in him dancing in a bar late and getting money thrown at him like a stripper or something.

Could we have a board called simply “Safeguarding” perhaps?

And SG threads deemed inappropriate for FWR could be moved there, rather than vanished?

This is shocking.

I can only assume from MNHQ's POV that they're aware someone is watching this site very closely indeed, and as a consequence, they're 'safeguarding' their own ability to remain up and running.

In these circumstances, though, I strongly disagree with the 'three strikes' rule. These are important discussions, and if the reason for the rigorous policing is that they are being policed from above, then I can't for the life of me see why that's necessary.