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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Man who kidnapped, tortured and threatened to kill three women 'can serve in female prison' after changing his name & gender identity following his arrest

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ShootsFruitAndLeaves · 30/01/2020 15:53

i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/116211253/jail-for-rotorua-hiv-hypodermic-needle-stabbing

www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12302736

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JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown · 30/01/2020 16:09

It was also revealed Maney, who is 47,has spent 27 years in jail for almost 200 prior offences involving drugs, violence, driving and child sex offending.

And then later they say:

A Corrections spokesperson also revealed Maneymaybe able to serve her sentencein a women's prison.
They said the individual prisoner is able to apply for a transfer to a facility that matches their gender identity provided they were not sentenced for serious sexual offences against a person of their nominated sex, or have previously served a prison sentence for serious sexual offences.

I'm guessing they're hedging because the official 'no' hasn't been put through yet. Although, of course, the supposed exceptions often aren't applied, same as we saw in the Karen White case.

I also thought it was interesting that it said offences against a person of their nominated sex. Does this mean that a convicted male sex offender would be allowed in a women's prison if their victims had been men or boys?

wellbehavedwomen · 30/01/2020 16:16

I also thought it was interesting that it said offences against a person of their nominated sex. Does this mean that a convicted male sex offender would be allowed in a women's prison if their victims had been men or boys?

This is one of the really troubling things: we have specialist provision for exceptionally dangerous prisoners, who are almost always male, and therefore so is the provision. I'm not at all sure that we can adequately contain such prisoners in the female estate, even if you leave aside the emotional and psychological impact on the women of being imprisoned alongside natal males.

It's surreal. We're effectively legislating through the back door for a modern, secular religion of transubstantiation - but instead of wine to blood, as in Communion, we're saying male to female, and vice versa, solely based on words from the person in question. Why is everyone else forced to abide by this secular faith? Scientologists must be watching with serious jealousy.

HopeYouStepOnALego · 30/01/2020 16:37

They said the individual prisoner is able to apply for a transfer to a facility that matches their gender identity provided they were not sentenced for serious sexual offences against a person of their nominated sex

I don't see why it should be restricted to serious sexual offences. This person is accused of torture and threatening to kill women. It should be any serious offence against a person of their nominated sex.

R0wantrees · 30/01/2020 17:13

There are many serious sexual offences comitted by males against women which are not successfully prosecuted.

Deckthehallswithlotsofcake · 30/01/2020 20:30

FFS! No matter how evil or sick a man is, many men will still be on his side against women. The amount of perverted enablers is far too high.

Durgasarrow · 31/01/2020 00:57

It is unbelievable. One of the women had a bald patch from having her hair ripped out. Another had foot problems for more than a month because he stomped on her foot. He tortured these women. Part of the equation for women's terror of men is that they can use their brute strength on us. Oh, and another maddening thing is the bullshit that is "restorative justice." This asshole got his sentence reduced because he offered to meet with the women he attacked--even though they were too afraid to meet with him. They are probably considered terrible/no good/evil "carceral feminists."

UrbanJellyfish · 31/01/2020 01:02

Wow, that's shocking! I'm not surprised he doesn't want to go to a male prison though as many prisoners hate abusers of women.

KennyRogersWasNotInStarWars · 31/01/2020 01:32

@UrbanJellyfish - shame the prisoners in the male prison don’t get to make the rules rather than the men outside of the male prison!

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