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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Julian Assange rape apology LETS SMASH THE PATRIARCHY

33 replies

PrincessBuggerPants · 30/01/2020 09:33

Wanna do some Guerilla feminism to start off the New Year? I'm getting as many people as I can to sign up for tickets (as many as you dare from different email addresses) to this Pro-Assange rape apology fest, and then not go, so they are just addressing an empty room. Definition of peaceful protest, non?

www.eventbrite.com/e/press-freedom-and-the-case-of-julian-assange-tickets-89223874009

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ScrimshawTheSecond · 30/01/2020 09:58

You want to disrupt an event, where they are meeting to discuss press freedom?

Do you not think it might be more constructive to attend, listen and perhaps ask questions?

Yorkshirelass444 · 30/01/2020 10:20

Assange is a vain and horrible man; he doesn't deserve any (more) woke propaganda- anything that gets in the way of this is good by me.

BovaryX · 30/01/2020 10:22

Julian Assange is in prison. He is unlikely to ever be released. Why are you agitating to deliberately disrupt an event about freedom of the press?

ScrimshawTheSecond · 30/01/2020 10:56

Whatever Assange has or hasn't done, he is being kept without trial in the most appalling conditions. This should worry everyone. Civil liberties apply to all, not just those we approve of.

He should be charged and tried, or released.

BovaryX · 30/01/2020 10:58

Absolutely agree Scrimshaw

Starlink · 30/01/2020 11:23

Absolutely.

Michelleoftheresistance · 30/01/2020 11:36

Those are tactics used by people who want to prevent legal, peaceful meetings and discussions they don't agree with. No thanks.

Thelnebriati · 30/01/2020 11:39

Whatever Assange has or hasn't done, he is being kept without trial in the most appalling conditions. This should worry everyone. Civil liberties apply to all, not just those we approve of.

He should be charged and tried, or released.

The right to be charged - to know the charges against you - and to face a fair trial is a basic human right.
www.citizensadvice.org.uk/law-and-courts/civil-rights/human-rights/what-rights-are-protected-under-the-human-rights-act/your-right-to-a-fair-trial/

Langsdestiny · 30/01/2020 11:45

This board in particular is routinely targeted by people who dont want us to speak I am not going to start doing that to other people. So no thanks.

BovaryX · 30/01/2020 11:48

Those are tactics used by people who want to prevent legal, peaceful meetings and discussions they don't agree with. No thanks

Well said Michelle and LangsDestiny

Langsdestiny · 30/01/2020 12:03

Just to be clear though I think Assange is an arse. Using my right to free speech Grin

ScrimshawTheSecond · 30/01/2020 12:28

I agree, Langsdestiny, but my feelings about him aren't really relevant. We have to legislate and act on reason and provable information, not on personal feelings.

andyoldlabour · 30/01/2020 14:46

Julian Assange has had all charges relating to him dropped by the Swedish judiciary. The case that he was being held for jumping bail has long since expired. Julian is being held in the UK's top security prison, having been charged with precisely nothing.
Despite the fact that he is an Australian citizen, Julian will either be illegally detained in Belmarsh or be extradited to the US, where he will face even worse conditions.
He is in prison simply because he lifted the lid on war crimes which the US and UK committed.

BovaryX · 30/01/2020 14:53

Well said andy

stumbledin · 30/01/2020 14:56

I find some on the comments of here very confusing.

Wanting to support freedom of speech doesn't mean you have to support all organisations which claim to be working towards this end.

Pro Assange supporters should consider whether they are harming their campaign by associating it with someone who is so morally compromised.

ie the Assange case as it now stands has nothing to do with freedom of speech.

He is not being held without charge. He is serving time for skipping bail in relation to the rape allegations.

There is a court case going on which is about the American's applying for extradition.

I think women are more than entitled to protest people trying to aggrandise Assange by people who show so little respect for women.

Whether buying tickets to leave seats empty is an effective method of protest is a matter of opinion. I doubt the numbers of empty seats will make much of an impact.

But the alternative of standing outside with placards is maybe one that some women dont feel able to make.

But there is nothing to stop women countering the false narrative of Assange as some sort of hero via the keyboard in response to articles or tweets.

I think most campaigns fall apart when they try to focus it round one individual. Let alone someone as scummy and cowardly as Assange.

But support this group? No way. No more than I would support a Stonewall event claiming to be about L&G() rights.

Erasing women's rights is not the foundation for any legitimate campaign.

Mockers2020Vision · 30/01/2020 16:02

Julian Assange was tried and sentenced by a court of law to serve a term of 50 weeks imprisonment which has yet to be completed. He was due for release after serving half his sentence on 22 September 2019, but was detained to serve the remainder of the sentence by a district judge because he was a flight risk.

Once he has served his sentence, he will become a remand prisoner facing extradition. His ineligibility for bail is entirely his own fault.

ScrimshawTheSecond · 30/01/2020 16:12

Being a victim of a gross misscarriage of justice doesn't make Assange a hero. He might be a rapist or a misogynist - he might be responsible for the deaths of at least one translator in Afghanistan - even if indirectly. There's a chance that he might have been framed.

The point is that he hasn't had a trial. You do agree that we all have the right to a fair trial? That we are innocent until proven guilty, and should have recourse to a fair trial? That is quite fundamental to our justice system and human rights, I would say.

Assange's case raises important issues to do with civil liberties, freedom of speech and culpability that affect everyone and should concern everyone who wants to maintain a functioning democracy

Mockers2020Vision · 30/01/2020 16:20

The point is that he hasn't had a trial.

The point is that he has:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48118908

Do you agree that people cannot evade justice by skipping bail?

Assange's case raises important issues to do with women's rights and the ability of influential males to get away with acts of violation against women.

Langsdestiny · 30/01/2020 16:25

I dont support this group stumble, I dont agree with the method suggested by the op. I believe the woman who made the allegations, the whole conspiracy theory isn't one that I agree with. I an uncomfortable with any tactic that makes it difficult for those I dont agree with to speak.

ScrimshawTheSecond · 30/01/2020 16:25

He hasn't been tried for the rape. His trial was for skipping bail.

I agree that this is a complex issue. It raises all sorts of questions - all the more reason to debate it. Why did the Ecuadorian Embassy protect him? Was that right? Should that be allowed?

I cannot see how trying to undermine debate is useful. The more voices the better, the more dialogue the better.

Dervel · 30/01/2020 16:26

Julian Assange shouldn’t rape people either.

Mockers2020Vision · 30/01/2020 16:31

He has not been tried for the sexual assaults because his deliberate attempts to evade them were sucessful and the time limits under Swedish law expired.

The Ecuadorians were wrong to offer 'diplomatic asylum' in the UK. This is an OAS concept not recognised by the UK even in the region. Even by its own terms Assange was not eligible since the OAS treaty specifically excludes fugitives from criminal charges.

The Assange camp has persistently and repeatedly lied about his situation, and some halfwits working for the UN have been taken in.

He is scum.

ScrimshawTheSecond · 30/01/2020 16:39

I'm not defending Assange - the point is that freedom of speech doesn't just apply to the people we agree with. I'm not even defending Assange's right to speak here, I'm arguing that others have the right to discuss his case!

The case certainly does have implications for women/feminists - I really can't understand wanting to undermine debate on the issues.

Mockers2020Vision · 30/01/2020 16:41

Oh yes, discuss away. The problem is the Assange Groupies don't want to come out of their echo chamber and confront inconvenient facts.

ScrimshawTheSecond · 30/01/2020 17:09

Well, all I would say is that I think it would be more constructive and helpful to attend an event like this and ask those questions, raise those inconvenient facts.

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