Kentucky banning puberty blockers

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There's a thread on Twitter about a new bill proposed in Kentucky. TRAs very upset, usual hyperbole, this bill will "literally kill trans children,"

mobile.twitter.com/BrynnTannehill/status/1222196191993221120

Here's some of it.

• Makes providing medical treatment (blockers, HRT, surgery) to transgender people under the age of 18 a felony,

• It revokes the medical licenses of anyone who violates this

• It allows anyone who was treated by a doctor for GD under the age of 18 to sue for damages for another 20 years

• No government employee in Kentucky may be disciplined for expressing their opinion about gender identity. (e.g. a teacher telling a trans kindergartner they're a disgusting God-forsaken abomination that should die because trans is Satanic will be protected speech.)

Or, more accurately, no one can get fired for saying that experimenting on children is a bad thing.

The bill is positive news, but in my opinion it's crazy these things even NEED to be written into law. The proposed bill is basic moral and common sense!

The Twitter thread links to the full bill in the opening tweet, but I can't access it, so forgive me if hidden in there is some terrible awful thing that's not mentioned in the thread.

I'm still shocked at what's happening to children across America and UK (and elsewhere) They need protecting from this insanity.

A similar (well, key differences, but looking to ban medical intervention in the under 16s) made it through the first hurdle in South Dakota yesterday.

twitter.com/newgenttga/status/1222666096819548160?s=21

and will kill a lot of trans kids

This is the sort of manipulative bullshit that I can’t stand. Someone provide me with a list of all the trans kids who committed suicide before the availability of puberty blockers. I’ll wait.

It allows anyone who was treated by a doctor for GD under the age of 18 to sue for damages for another 20 years

Good. How could any TRA have an issue with this? If they’re so confident that puberty blockers are the best and safest treatment, there’s nothing to worry about is there?

Because what trans kid will ever come out if they can't get medical care

They can get medical care (for this condition that isn’t a medical problem ), just not hormone treatment that will render them sexually dysfunctional, infertile with decreased bone density and a significant increased risk of stroke.

No government employee in Kentucky may be disciplined for expressing their opinion about gender identity. (e.g. a teacher telling a trans kindergartner they're a disgusting God-forsaken abomination that should die because trans is Satanic will be protected speech.)

I would fulling Express the teacher in your example to be disciplined because that is not expressing an opinion about gender identity is it expressing an opinion about a child to that child which is very different. And there is no such thing as a trans kindergartner only children.

Fulling Express = fully expect

Aesopfable

That example is Brynn Tannehill’s example from the Twitter thread, not the op’s example. Basically Tamnehill has taken that law and thought of the most unlikely, scariest possible outcome, as opposed to what it’s intended to be for, what the op says, that it’s so people who work can’t be sacked like Maya Forstater for saying sex and biology is real.

sorry op.

Presumably medical evidence will have been looked at including all the suicide stats and long term repercussions of the drugs etc and they will hopefully go from there based on ethical and medical research?

Why dont these people get together and put together information medical and psychological etc , stuff that can be fact checked and put in counter arguments?

All they ever do is threaten suicide if themselves or others

Yeah, I very much doubt teachers in America are saying "trans children are satanic" or whatever hyperbolic nonsense the person on Twitter said. But people are being fired for saying "biological sex is real".

Sorry for my formatting.

It's a bit unclear what I wrote and what was written on Twitter.

Basically, people objecting to this proposed bill must have a screw loose, it's very good news rogdmum that something similar is making it through in another state.

America has been behind this agenda, pushing it onto the British.

There will be an inevitable backlash.

America has been behind this agenda, pushing it onto the British.

What the TRA agenda? I'm shocked by how far this has taken root in liberal parts of the USA. I was there in Oct and a friend of mine, who is a teacher in a college in a very liberal US city was telling me how wonderful it is that so many of her students feel they can come out as trans and how much happier they are, bla bla bla. Bearing in mind that these students are 17-20 years old, for the most part, so IMO just teens experimenting and dressing up, but no, she declared them 'trans'. Another friend was over last week with her two DC. The boy is 10 and while in a London park with him he said 'Oh wow, you have male and female toilets that only one gender is allowed to go into?' I didn't correct him on the difference between sex and gender, but I was horrified that a primary school aged kid didn't seem to have ever seen a single sex toilet facility before.

so IMO just teens experimenting and dressing up, but no, she declared them 'trans'. Another friend was over last week with her two DC. The boy is 10 and while in a London park with him he said 'Oh wow, you have male and female toilets that only one gender is allowed to go into?' I didn't correct him on the difference between sex and gender, but I was horrified that a primary school aged kid didn't seem to have ever seen a single sex toilet facility before

Yy its terrifying isnt it. We cant even say its because it's more mainstream and people are more accepting now because of that were true , where are all the middle aged transitioning transmen ?

Alot of the m2f trans people we see now and who are behind some of this are all older transitions. The youngsters in this country at least are now mainly f2m . If it was just down to acceptance of trans status then as I say where are all the middle aged transitioning f2ms.

The point about the boy scares me the most really, that they have no idea what's what and about their own bodies. How do we keep them safe and give them the words to say what happend in factual way, of they do not know who has what and who did what with which part.

If God forbid anything happened to a child and it went to court, how seriously would a case be taken if they dont even know who they are or what they are.

It's pushed quite hard by the plastic surgery industry, I suspect.

It's pushed quite hard by the plastic surgery industry, I suspect

It's funny how people refuse extras on things all the time because "it's a con" we dont really need to vaccinate our pets/have oil flushes at a car service/premium seats at the cinema/pay to sit together/shop in waitrose because they do not want to pay extra or feel like someone else is raking it in at our expense. Yet here no one seems to consider that pharmaceutical companies profit from life long medical patients. That some fancy private drs advertising grs procedures drive expensive cars and have massive houses. Why is it people put more thought into what Hoover or what car to buy than they do joining the dots as to who benefits from their child being treated that way

Because the agenda successfully pushes a sentimental, emotive storyline. Very effective at overcoming common sense and logical consideration. Who could deny a child a chance to 'be who they really are' if they've been 'born in the wrong body' and what will they do if they don't get what they need?

There is little to no discussion of the medical realities of it. I just watched a clip of a young person in the US whose 'transition' has been widely pushed as a shining example of just such an emotive story. My heart breaks for this young person, who has just had a third surgery, and is filmed throughout while the medics pretty much admit they don't know what they're doing and can't fix the 'unexpected' major issues.

This young person has followed exactly the 'best practise' that WPATH and others advocate for - puberty suppression, hormones and now surgery.

How is this fair, or right, or 'love' and all the other feelgood rainbow crap that is thrown at it?

Why couldn't this person have been supported, counselled, helped to accept themself?

Yes I agree. Just be who you are. There was nothing wrong with you to begin with. The problem.was everyone else. And those people, they dont change because you change yourself so why would you do it to appease other people who dont even care about you.

Part of being a parent is knowing when and how to say no. Knowing that at times they will hate you. Scream at you. Curse your name for hours in their heads. But we take it. Because that's our job.

It’s definitely a step in the right direction.

My concern is though that it all gets pushed online or onto the black market.

No idea how to stop that though.

In response to various comments above:

"Profits are privatised, while the risks are socialised."

The Left really got this at the time of the financial crisis, so why the blind spot now?!

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I think there's been some of that already hasnt there? Like the Webberly "clinic"

When reports appeared in the paper focus was very much on it ending everyone elses fault for not providing the medication rather than the providers illegally prescribing stuff having never met the patients and not taking into account things like testosterone causing people to become depressed and prescribing it to people who are already depressed.

One hopes that if it all becomes black market then at least prosecutions can be made?

About time. Under 18s shouldn’t be allowed to decide they want to change sex. They should be offered psychiatric support to examine the issues around why they feel the need to escape their body, not just allowed to embark on this path that they may end up regretting.

I think there's been some of that already hasnt there? Like the Webberly "clinic"

Yes absolutely there has.

We’ll see more unscrupulous scumbags trying to make a quick buck I’m sure.

Aided and abetted by the unscrupulous scumbags who coach kids on what to say to get them.

All seems a bit " misery loves company" to me.

Good.

Especially the ability to sue.