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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

BBC Radio 4 drama, Dykes – on now

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womaninblue · 27/01/2020 14:42

Afternoon drama about an older lesbian feminist with a firmly GC pov. Fantastic!

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000dq2d

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R0wantrees · 27/01/2020 15:08

really worth a listen:
'Episode 1: Six of one and half a dozen of the other. An original three part series by Sarah Daniels, which follows the friendship of three radical lesbian feminists from the 1970s to today, and takes in the pioneering campaigning of the ‘70s and ‘80s, the backlash of Clause 28 in the 1990s, and the more recent fractures in the LGBTQ+ community.'

womaninblue · 27/01/2020 15:50

Great to hear strong older women speaking unashamedly about sex and sexuality and feminism, isn't it?

The worm has turned: the BBC are coming out of their trans trance.

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LizzieSiddal · 27/01/2020 15:53

Ahh I just came on to say this. It's part of a series of Feminist writer stories. It sounds 'interesting'....

This fourth season of Riot Girls - provocative writing by women - offers no-holds barred dramas that explore themes of gender identity, lesbian relationships and the intersections between the feminist and LGBTQ+ movements.

R0wantrees · 27/01/2020 16:14

The worm has turned: the BBC are coming out of their trans trance.

Its been quite a day today: Grayson Perry, then Deborah Orr's Motherland & this play.

LizzieSiddal · 27/01/2020 16:24

There is a drama on all week at 9.45, during Womens Hour, where someone finds out his Dad is actually a woman.Hmm I couldn't be bothered to listen to it, so not sure what happens.

When his jazz trumpeter father dies, Colman makes an extraordinary discovery - the man he adored as his Dad was, in fact, a woman. Jackie Kay's novel is dramatised by Tanika Gupta.

Aramox · 27/01/2020 16:28

Jackie Kay’s book is fab!

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 27/01/2020 16:36

Thanks for this, listening now. Interesting!

Lordfrontpaw · 27/01/2020 16:40

A) is it any good?
B) will it get my blood pressure up?

I enjoyed Grayson ‘I’m a bloke in a dress’ on the radio this morning!

LizzieSiddal · 27/01/2020 17:16

Thanks Aramox, I'll give it a go.

NeurotrashWarrior · 27/01/2020 17:21

I heard bits of this; some great quotes within it!

NeurotrashWarrior · 27/01/2020 17:22

And that reminds me that I must listen to the Grayson piece!

He definitely believes in sex not gender after his last show.

nauticant · 28/01/2020 13:25

I missed Riot Girls, Dykes, Episode 1:

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000dq2d

yesterday so just had a listen. So far it contains common sense and is entertainingly written. It'll be interesting to see how they handle the transman issue.

nauticant · 28/01/2020 13:29

Also in the Radio 4 Riot Girls theme, I do recommend the plays they broadcast about Pussy Riot:

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0001zwc
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000203y

You can catch them in the next week before they become unavailable.

R0wantrees · 28/01/2020 15:39

It was interesting to hear such a clear demonstration of abuse dynamics within the context of adults keeping secrets with children.

current relevent thread
[https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3803858-Today-s-daily-dose-of-LangCleg-sense]]

stumbledin · 28/01/2020 17:51

The writer of Dykes is part of Clean Break and some women are listening to this going "oh I know who that's based on". But great to hear references to events and organisations that actully existed as opposed to writers thinking they can create a fiction version of what WLM activism.

Just worried as it is the BBC as to how they will show the division between WLM feminism and current queer / trans feminism. suspect it wont be true to life but will be in line with BBC wanting to show young people how woke they are.

And I started to listen to the play about the trumpet player who was found to be female because someone mentioned it here.

I was thinking / hoping it would be a storyline more like Albert Nobbs which was very moving and about how women trying to survive on their own adopted a male persona to get access to work and acceptance they wouldn't get as a woman. The son comes over as an obnoxious MRA.

But neither of these compared to listening to the trial of the Well of Loneliness a book that was held up as a lesbian classic.

I know it was written in a different time but all the stuff about "inverts" and talking about liking male pursuits, was for me the opposite of lesbian ie same sex attraction. And the wikkipedia entry talks about about it in terms of being a forecast of trans ideology. Disturbing as I remember many women raving about it and would never have thought they thought their being lesbian was to do with having a male identity. Sad

nauticant · 29/01/2020 14:47

This is still going well. The handling of the transman is good, it acknowledges that there are different perspectives and gender critical people might not be polite but aren't monsters.

This line got a LOL out of me:

"we're in a hospice and you're telling me not to deadname"

Defenestratethecat · 29/01/2020 14:54

'cis man that is born of cis woman' Grin

Ard77 · 29/01/2020 15:09

I think the transmit issue would have been more relevant if it addressed a teen girl transing rather than a middle-aged lesbian which doesn't seem a particularly common scenario

stumbledin · 30/01/2020 15:03

Has this finished? I missed bits of it yesterday due to technological problems!

But from what I heard the message seem to be radical lesbian feminists are the problem because they are too angry and too occupied with politics rather than learning to be nice to people!

So the trans issue was avoided, and the woman who wanted / had transitioned seemed to sort of blame other women for not accepting her "mannishness" and it was easier to fit into society by conforming to gender stereotypes ie by not challening them as a masculine woman but by transitioning to male so as not to upset anybody. Sad

Though was pleased to hear the criticism of the Well of Loneliness and the reactionary concept of being an "inverse".

The cop out of course was making it a personal issue and totally avoiding the politics of trans rights versus women's rights, in contrast to the early episode which were more than happy to make bold statements about the patriarchy and male violence.

I wonder whether this drippy ending was the writers choice or the result of BBC editorial direction.

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