Glasgow councillor: women haven’t got equality cos they’re not organised

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Mhairi Hunter is an SNP councillor in Glasgow. She supports self Id and is Nicola Sturgeon’s campaign manager. She has claimed on Twitter that the problems women face is not due to out biology but to the fact we’re not organised. I suspect this reflects the thinking (using that verb very loosely) in the Scot govt. It’s our own fault we face discrimination, violence etc cos we’re not organised. Although as they seem unable to define what a woman is, I don’t know how they know women aren’t organised...

I mean, maybe that's her point? It's not clear from this tweet, imo. But anyway, crack on.

Im beginning to think Hunter is deliberately trolling, I'm not quite sure to what purpose. I've read a lot of their exchanges and no one is that obtuse and disingenuous accidentally.

They are like those people who plop onto FWR saying "I'm new here and can you explain why you are so mean about trans people".

Hunter is also an excellent representation of how religious fundamentalists are simply unable to consider any viewpoint other than the one circumscribed by their religion.

What does she think used to happen before the days of contraception/bottle feeding...?

Women burdened with physical demands of multiple pregnancies and breastfeeding numerous children - with high rates of maternal and infant death whilst boys and men were prioritised for education /dominated the workplace. This has lead to the legacy of male dominated professions which we are still working against.

99.1% of convicted sex offenders are men and 90% of victims are women and girls:

• Men bigger/stronger -
• we need men to be sexually aroused to procreate which helps propagate rape myths ‘he can’t help it’ ‘she’s asking for it’ etc. (Most men are real men and don’t do this)

Ask the girls who take days off school because they are worried about their periods.

Nothing to to with biology??!

She can fuck right off.

Rape within marriage was only made illegal in England Wales in the early 90s.

Guess women before that just weren't organised. And nothing to do with a system set up by men for men and with zero interest understanding or anything around women. And children and gay men as well and etc...

Scotland has an incredibly rich history of wise, insightful, courageous and inspired thinkers, from all walks of life. It's really exceptional in that respect.

Which is why clunky, leaden 'arguments' like this are quite embarrassing.

I don't accept the idea that women aren't organised.

There is no arguing with stupid

Though some of the FWR stalwarts give it a bloody good go...more patience than me

Scotland has an incredibly rich history of wise, insightful, courageous and inspired thinkers, from all walks of life. It's really exceptional in that respect

Piffle. Scotland is not "exceptional" in producing that sort of person.

Which is why clunky, leaden 'arguments' like this are quite embarrassing

No it is not embarrassing for that reason. My mother's side of my family is Scottish. I'm not embarrassed by the existence of this idiot and her idiocies.

Yeah there's been a bit of opposition over the years to women organizing. Also to us learning to read, go to school, get degrees, enter professions, speak in religious services, vote, stand as political candidates, write in newspapers... And whenever women have done those things, alone or organized into groups, we've faced derision, belittling, violence. Does she know or think anything about the history of women's organizations?

Yeah and the reason the slave trade lasted so long was black people just weren't organised enough.

I thought a lot of the slave traders in Africa were black. Selling their own people on to white buyers.

But the assertion that women just weren't organised enough is bullshit.

That um shows a fairly staggering lack of knowledge. Not ORGANISED? Does she think she is a councillor because women have always had that right? And tweeting no less. Without male supervision. I mean the introduction of the postal service created a moral panic because women’s correspondence could no longer be controlled by their male relatives so women would obviously end up led into sin due to their female incapable minds and crazy uteruses.

Searching for my organising organ

Apparently if Donald Trump breathes we should all stop breathing.

Pretty sure he must eat too, but I'm not going to go on a hunger strike and kill myself just to prove how unlike him I am.

The frustrating thing about people like Mhairi is that they know sex is real, they've just decided that admitting it is harmful to trans people so we should all have to pretend that we don't know it's real anymore Look at the arguments she's having with people on that thread - there's no "sex is a spectrum" delusion there, she is very clearly choosing to give "gender" primacy over sex for ideological reasons, and trying to force others to do the same. In many ways that's a lot more dangerous than the "everyone is intersex really because we have no way of identifying what sex someone is without extensive medical testing and even then it's a spectrum" nonsense.

''We aren't as well organised as men''?
Who's ''we'' in that tweet Mhairi?

Do you understand why attackers appear to be more organised than those they randomly attack? Living on the defense against every kind of potential attack would be a bit batshit wouldn't it.
Women have to react to attacks when they happen.

I won't bother prepping for polar bears, even if snow is forecast.

I've just read her Twitter feed. She really is thick isn't she?

I've just read her Twitter feed. She really is thick isn't she?

No, I really can't agree. Like many others on Scottish Twitter, I have engaged with her over the last two years and we have patiently and respectfully explained the issues. She has on occasion accepted our points but I stopped engaging when not long after having her acknowledge once again that yes, she was wrong on something or other, I saw yet another Twitter thread going over the exact same ground with her using the exact same previously disproven arguments.

I thought at first this was wilful ignorance, but I'm now much more inclined to view this as propaganda. This is an elected councillor and successful campaign manager. She is not stupid. In my opinion she is a fervent believer in transgender ideology and legislation who is proselytising.

We underestimate people like that at our peril.

Oh FFS I also thought that she was just some hard of thinking randommer on Twitter. But she’s Sturgeon’s right hand woman??!! I despair. Increasingly I’m thinking that McAlpine and Cherry aren’t enough to counter this rot at the heart of the SNP

There have always been women who throw other women under the bus once they gain status/promotion/influence. They prefer to be one of the boys and actually believe that women just aren’t as good as the men. I’m sure we’ve all seen it at work.

‘Women’s men’ - in politics just as in business, their attitude sucks.

Not stupid at all, and saying that would be letting her off the hook. She's attempting to impose things she knows perfectly well to be untrue on everyone for ideological reasons, or perhaps just because she thinks doing so will benefit her career. In either case, that's much worse than just being a bit thick.

Maybe benefit until it all comes crashing around her ears. Hen she will just say ‘bla bla, I didn’t know - those pesky disorganised women didn’t tell me’

I’m amused that any of you would expect logic, reason or intelligence from the SNP!

This is a party that wants the economic suicide of independence with an 8% deficit, the lowest number of business start ups of any region in the U.K. and an education system that is plummeting down the international league tables- we’re now worse than Slovenia.
Sturgeon is all style over substance. She is desperate to look more woke and progressive than England, so we can expect she and her cronies will throw women’s rights under the bus to parade their transgender credentials.

Oh DARVO from her isn't it.

It's similar to that Blloughdennell lady who last year said women face discrimination because of our gender identity. SMDH.

It's a view completely without any kind of analysis or historical context by it. It suggests there are two broadly identical groups - group A and group B - and one has power over the other because its members are better organised. But it makes no sense. Throughout history you can see that men have power over women, and that would hardly have been the case if the difference between men and women was simply, say, that one had blue eyes and the other had brown eyes. Obviously it's rooted in biology - both the fact that women are handicapped by childbearing and the fact that men are almost always stronger than women.

Her summary that GC women "think women are oppressed BY biology" rather than BECAUSE of biology hsad me wanting to bash my head on the desk.

Biology is WHY, as patriastchal society is WHO and gender is HOW. It's not hard.

I’m amused that any of you would expect logic, reason or intelligence from the SNP!

I agree.
I'm sticking with her being thick rather than any devious conspiracy theory/ agenda.