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Helen Joyce taking a sabbatical to write a book on gender ideology

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MrsSnippyPants · 24/01/2020 20:51

This should be a book to keep an eye out for; hope she writes quickly!

From Twitter:

"Some News, tweeps. I've started a sabbatical from the day job to write a book about gender-identity ideology - the history of how we got to here and the wide-ranging impacts, in particular on children, women and gay people. I hope you'll buy it! And help me with my research :)"

Her most recent long read for Quillette
quillette.com/2018/12/04/the-new-patriarchy-how-trans-radicalism-hurts-women-children-and-trans-people-themselves/

Extract:
"In 1979, Eileen Fairweather was working at Spare Rib, a radical-feminist magazine. She was young and new to journalism, but assigned to read Paedophilia: The Radical Case, in which Tom O’Carroll, later imprisoned for child-abuse, argued for lowering the age of consent to four. She recalls “anguished, earnest” discussions with feminist friends about what they should write about it. “I did draft something, arguing that the existing age of consent was not ‘patriarchal’, but protected children,” she says. “But I never even dared show it to anyone.” No-one back then realized the extent and brutality of child-abuse. And the pedophile movement had so thoroughly hijacked the gay movement that, if you said you were against “child sexual liberation”—as, outrageously, they put it—you were branded “anti-gay.” She says she sees “the same intimidation and paralysis of intelligence” with the transgender debate, with people terrified to express legitimate concerns about infiltration and safeguarding."

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AutumnRose1 · 24/01/2020 20:54

Thanks
I was looking for such a book today and couldn’t find much!

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 24/01/2020 20:55

that will be very interesting. I bloody love helen joyce. brave, clever woman

janeskettle · 24/01/2020 20:56

Excellent!

I love HJ's writing, and trust her to do a grand job on the book.

Will definitely buy!

Mockers2020Vision · 24/01/2020 21:00

The parallels with the NCCL/PIE scandal are striking. Consider Peter Newell, who ingratiated himself so deeply in the field of children's rights and was a prime instigator of the movement to recognise gender identity as a status in need of official protection.

Michelleoftheresistance · 24/01/2020 22:29

What brought down PIE?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/01/2020 23:18

What great news! She's an excellent writer.

Goosefoot · 24/01/2020 23:25

I'd like to see this history more well known. I suppose people haven't wanted to talk about it because they felt it might reflect badly on the gay rights movement? I had a conversation with a woman a while ago, and she not only was largely unaware of this, (she thought it was a minor thing that no one really took seriously,) she felt strongly that it was a lie and an attempt to, well, undermine gay and trans rights. It seemed there was no acknowledgement, even consideration, allowed that ideas that seemed good in a limited circumstance could result in bad outcomes when extended to their logical conclusions.

Mockers2020Vision · 25/01/2020 09:30

What brought down PIE?

They were raided by the police in 1978 after a series of articles in the Sunday rags.

The NCCL were thoroughly captured. There was some push-back from the Campaign for Homosexual Equality, notably by Peter Hain in 1975.

Michelleoftheresistance · 25/01/2020 11:15

Thanks Mockers , very interesting.

I suppose at present we have very thoroughly captured police leadership, but the Times is doing its best.

Mayomaynot · 25/01/2020 18:48

Great news! In the meantime, Gender Hurts, by Sheila Jeffreys is well worth a read, for anyone who is interested in the debate.

theflushedzebra · 25/01/2020 22:46

Excellent news!

What brought down PIE?

The arrest and conviction of major PIE members on child abuse offences caused PIE to disband in 1984/85.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/10659100/Harriet-Harman-Jack-Dromey-Patricia-Hewitt-and-the-Paedophile-Information-Exchange.html

They were still being jailed as recently as 2016.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-36602256

You couldn't make it up, could you?

aliasundercover · 26/01/2020 00:11

I've just read Helen Joyce's piece for Quillette - fantastic. I cannot wait for the book now.

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