Jonathan Yaniv

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Jonathan Yaniv has, well, I am not sure how describe this. Let’s go with a narrative instead.

JY is overplaying his hand. Until now, I seriously considered whether he was a Fifth Columnist/performance artist, clearly and unambiguously showing the consequences of basing laws upon gender-identity feelz.

But if he starts committing real crimes - by which I mean crimes against proper, ethical laws, not challenging silly, unfair laws - then he will just be imprisoned like, say, Karen White. Real crimes will not demonstrate the idiocy of gender-identity-based law.

So, for the first time I begin to wonder whether he is, in fact, merely the narcissist person he claims to be.

Just in case I get deleted, rewritten:

JY is overplaying JY's hand. Until now, I seriously considered whether JY was a Fifth Columnist/performance artist, clearly and unambiguously showing the consequences of basing laws upon gender-identity feelz.

But if JY starts committing real crimes - by which I mean crimes against proper, ethical laws, not challenging silly, unfair laws - then JY will just be imprisoned like, say, Karen White. Real crimes will not demonstrate the idiocy of gender-identity-based law.

So, for the first time I begin to wonder whether JY is, in fact, merely what JY claims to be.

@JellySlice I had thought they were doing that too, until I saw the additional alleged offences, sexual messages they have written to minors, requesting pictures of used tampons from a minor, voice memos of them saying sexually explicit things a minor in elmo's voice and screen grabs of them interfering with themselves in videos to minors whilst moaning about Blair's White.

I say alleged as I am not privy to the evidence behind the accusations.

If all of the above are true, there is no way JY is a performance artist, they are incredibly dangerous and need locking up.

smileylottie87, many of those things, if true, could also act to show how paedophiles and other manipulative, abusive men could (ab)use gender-identity-based laws to harm women and girls.

'If true' - not because I doubt you, but because I also do not know all of JY's actions.

Going back to some of the earlier posts, do you think JY gets particular kick out of demanding various ethnic minorities wax JY's genitalia or is it just that ethnic minorities are over overrepresented in the trade?

Possible two for one dominance thing here, is my point.

Almost certainly dominance. In every video I've seen of him, whether his or someone else's, he has a very domineering, entitled manner.

I absolutely agree @JellySlice

They tend to target minorities are they are a massive racist, also documented with texts, tweets, Facebook and a video.

There are too many accusations against to list but most are utterly vile.

I'm surprised this thread hasn't been deleted for using Jonathan instead of Jessica if it does can someone repost?

I was thinking that too?

As far as I know, MN says it's fine to use either name as JY has used both names on social media so it isn't dead naming.

Re: the targeting of minorities, isn't this one of the main reasons the case last year was ruled against JY? Ie not because they are a dangerous, predatory fetishist, pushing the trans laws in British Colombia to their limit to prove that they could override a woman's right to not touch genitals, but because he was a racist bigot. And none of the women waxed scrotums.

Sorry. That was really poorly articulated. If only we had a safeguarding expert on these boards who could say it better / more clearly....

JY is overplaying JY's hand. Until now, I seriously considered whether JY was a Fifth Columnist/performance artist, clearly and unambiguously showing the consequences of basing laws upon gender-identity feelz.

He destroyed the livelihoods of several women and put them through a traumatic civil court action. Wasn't that enough to convince you?

With regards to using the name Jonathan Yaniv and male pronouns in my OP -

I believe this is consistent with Mumsnet Guidelines. Yaniv has a long history of harassing women and children that predates his transition. It would not surprise me if he became known as the Karen White Of Canada. Karen White is explicitly referenced in guidelines as an acceptable use. Excerpt below:
What about, for example, Karen White – is it ok to say he is a man and call him 'he'?
We think we've allowed for flexibility and context here; we’re unlikely to delete where an individual is primarily known for extreme or criminal actions undertaken before they transitioned.

Yaniv’s long history includes adopting the online persona of teenage girls to interact with teenage and tweenage girls. He claimed he was doing this in the line of work but copies of the communications show comments of a sexual nature.

He has talked online about wanting to help ten year old girls with their first period with inserting tampons.

He has harassed women from ethnic minorities (predominantly Sikh) (the word ‘racialised’ was used but like a previous poster, it makes me irrationally annoyed for linguistic reasons) who were lone workers in their home or clients’ home to wax his testicles. When they refused, he filed legal complaints against (I think) 16 of them. He lost.

He has physically attacked more than one person in a way that I would describe as (trying to tread carefully here) consistent with male patterns aggression and violence.

There is more. Googling his name will lead you to much more information. KiwiFarms may not be the preferred source but they have a very large forum devoted entirely to him and they reference and archive information very well.

TLDR - I think it is appropriate and in keeping with Mumsnet Guidelines to use the name Jonathan Yaniv and male pronouns.

It'd take some balls to put Yaniv in a woman's prison.
I may get deleted for this, but my internal monologue response to this sentence was ‘well, yeah, taking balls seems like a fair enough condition for being placed in a women’s prison’.

Have you guys seen the video of the attack on Keeane? JY is chasing him down a path, hitting him, shouting “get away from me” whilst chasing him, it’s outright violence plain and simple. I agree that, if convicted, the most appropriate course of action - for JY as well as other prisoners - would seem to be for him to be placed in a mental health type unit, he is so clearly not a well person.

Not sure what they are like in Canada, but if like in the UK, please don't place Yaniv in a mental health unit. He would have access to the most vulnerable people and I have no doubt he would manipulate and gaslight patients. He would also believe himself to be cleverer than Mental Health professionals and would use every trick in the book to discredit and prove phobia against them.
Yet another example of someone being enabled by stupid laws and people who are unable to see consequences.

How do you manage someone who is diagnosably mentally unwell, yet not safe to be around other mentally unwell people?

Solitary? But I'm guessing that would violate THEIR rights

How can someone have the right to be housed somewhere they present a risk to others though.

It’s a pretty awful state of affairs when the result of a conviction of violence ends in one of two things.

male with or without gender recognition certificate but has the gender identity of woman is sent to:

Jail - housed with women, when it is known and recognised that a high percentage of female prisoners are victims of abuse in all forms (male majority of perpetrators) and a high percentage have diagnosed mental health issues. Some of these vulnerable women will have very young children with them. Women’s prisons are built and managed including physical design, practice, risk assessments and rehabilitation programs on data collected over the years on sex of women. Not the gender of woman. In addition in Canada indigenous women are grossly over represented in prison compared to percentage of population which is important as it is unclear at this point whether Yaniv’s documented harassment of women who have included (all?) non-white racial heritage and non- Christian faiths would put indigenous Canadian women at greater risk for that characteristic.

Or

Psychiatric facility - housed with even more vulnerable women. Depending on level of facility these women would be significantly less protected than prisoners from the other inmates.

www.thepostmillennial.com/breaking-jessica-yaniv-sues-more-immigrant-salon-workers-tribunal-says-enough/